From Relay, this is Upgrade, episode number 552 for February the 24th, 2025

upgrade sponsored this week by Vitally, Google Gemini, NXpressVPN. I am your host, one of your regular host, Jason Snell, but I don't normally do this part.

Mike does all the work.

Mike Hurley is unavailable because he is on officially on paternity leave.

So I am joined by my first in a cavalcade of all-star co-hosts.

It's Casey Liss.

Hi, Casey.

Hello, Jason. I am so thankful to be here. I am so very lucky to be the first one.

It's a bold strategy for you going with me first because it's only downhill from here. But I respect that.

Let's see if it works out for me.

The truth is I was kicking off with Stephen. And then Mike said, no, no, no, no, no, I'll be there that week.

And that was last week.

And so you're going to be second track, which I would argue if you're making a mixtape or a mix CD or a playlist.

Right.

As high fidelity would tell you that number two, the second track, it's very important.

Like, that's the key track.

But that's what I appreciate you.

You end up being number one.

And that's okay, too.

So we're going to start this episode with a Snell talk question.

This question comes from me, Jason Snell.

This is from you to you.

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