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You are not alone. You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Jake, what a struggle, you know. It was incredible. You know, it's like your head exploded, seeing what was really there. And now here's your host, Brad Listy. Just one person in just one time. Hey, what's going on? This is the Other People podcast. I'm Brad Listy. I'm in Los Angeles. It's nice to be with you. I have Daniel

Gumbeiner here. I don't have him here right now, but he was here. We had a conversation. He drove

here from Las Vegas, Nevada. He parked on my street. He came to my house. He knocked on the door.

He said, hello. He came in. We sat down. We had a conversation.

His debut novel was called The Boat Builder.

It was nominated for the National Book Award.

debut novel, The Boat Builder, available now from McSweeney's.

It has a beautiful McSweeney's cover.

I'm looking at Daniel Gumbeiner's website right now, and his author photo is stunning.

It was taken by a photographer named Whitney Friedman, who I have to give a shout out to. This is a

beautiful author photo. What a handsome young man. What a terrific head of hair on Daniel Gumbiner.

So that conversation is coming up just seconds from now.

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