Radio Manu, Papa Chango.

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Hi Chris.

This is coming to you from a rainy little corner of London, England, where I've just got back from a beautiful couple of months on the Azarean Islands in the middle of the Atlantic.

My partner and I have been out there looking for a new place to live, which is going slowly but surely.

And in the meantime, we had a really amazing time, not least, an Assetrip on the Beach, which if any of your listeners have been inclination to do, I highly recommend it is indescribable to feel that connected to the ocean.

Anyway, in the meantime, my partner and I are living countries apart, but we are connected by the internet and your wonderful podcast.

So thanks for that and for being a corner of this world that's making sense.

Oh, thank you so much for that. Although my first response is, am I making sense really? I don't know. Maybe I'm repeating myself, but one of the sort of baseline necessities of making sense may in fact be the suspicion that you're not.

Who knows these things are all conundrums. I want to say conundra, but that sounds pretentious and I'm not sure conundra is the plural of conundrums, but kind of sounds like it should be, doesn't it?

The conundra. In any case, good luck to you finding your place in the Azores out there in this crazy world. Okay, this is a Roma episode.

I have recorded a few episodes with other humans recently, but for one reason or another, they're not ready to be released on the world.

One of them is because the guy interviewed a Turkish friend of mine, really nice guy, very interesting, told some crazy stories, including one about having tea in the cell of the Hezbollah terrorists in a Turkish prison and becoming friends with one of the guys.

Anyway, my guest after we finished recording and he listened to the raw recording he decided he didn't want me to release it, which happened sometimes.

I never really know how to deal with that because there's only one way to deal with it, which is to say, okay.

But I mean internally because I feel like, you know, of course I respect the guests right to withdraw their permission to say these things publicly.

But when it happens, which isn't very frequently, but it does happen sometimes, I feel like what's happened is that they've been very vulnerable and revealing and candid and open when we have the conversation.

And then they listen to it and they're like, oh shit, you know, I sound stupid or my English isn't very good or, you know, it can often be some kind of inaccurate sense that they're not that interesting and people aren't going to care and this sort of baseline insecurity kicks in.

And when it's that, I want to say no, no, that's not the case. You're really interesting and your English is great and don't worry about it and everyone will be totally into this.

But then it could also be that they're looking at and they're saying, I exposed way too much of myself and I don't want strangers to see that deeply into me.

Or it could be, I exposed too much of myself and I don't want my friends to see that deeply into me. I found that happened as well.

I did probably one of the most powerful podcast recordings I've ever done was a woman who had been sex trafficked in China.

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