Whenever I hear the phrase really annoying people, I just immediately join that tribe in my head.

I'm Antelod Duckworth.

I'm Stephen Dubner.

And you're listening to no stupid questions.

Today on the show, what changes will we see in post-pandemic society?

You've always been living the pandemic lifestyle, Stephen.

Also, would you take a confirmation bias vaccine?

I might want to be a conspiracy theorist at some point.

And this is going to be a real problem.

So, Angela, once the pandemic and the shutdown fade away, what would you say is one permanent

change we will see in the life of Professor Angela Duckworth?

Well, what's leaping to mind is that I have a nonprofit called Character Lab.

And during the pandemic, our small team moved out of our beautiful office space and everybody

started working from home.

For the first few months of the pandemic, I thought, well, isn't this a shame?

And now, we have decided as an organization that we will never go back to business as

usual and that we will be a remote first organization.

Was that driven by finances?

And that you can save all that money on real estate and use it to buy cotton candy instead?

Well, it was partly influenced by that we are saving a couple hundred thousand dollars

a year by not moving back into our original built-out space.

And are you distributing that money to people who work for you so that they can add on to

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