Hi there, it's Matt here and welcome back to the podcast. As some of you know on this

podcast I have done a short mini series on some of the basics of insomnia and some of the science that may

underlie insomnia. But what I really wanted was for you to hear all about insomnia from a real clinician who is treating

insomnia patients daily.

For this, I reached out to my dear friend and a truly world-renowned sleep researcher and clinician,

Dr. Michael Grandner. By the way, I know we hear that phrase world-renowned and best, quote-unquote, so much these days, trust me, there is no better definition of those two terms than Dr. Grandner, for whom if it's okay Michael

I'll probably just start calling you Michael hereafter. Yeah yeah it's all good.

Thank you. Also by the way front, if you want to follow a far better

Twitter account than mine when it comes to sleep, you absolutely need to follow

Michael and you can find him on Twitter and it's pretty simple.

It's at Michael Grandner and that's Michael standard spelling and then his last name Grandner, which is spelled G-R-A-N-D-N-E-R, Michael Grandner.

I will read every single post that he puts up and I guarantee I checked today

there is no one else in my Twitter account for whom there is more bookmarked tweets and website

posts than Michael. He is hands down spectacular. So with all of that said Michael

welcome my good fellow.

It is such an honor to have you on the show.

Thank you very much.

I'm really glad to be here.

And first of all, it was a very, very kind introduction,

but anyone who knows you knows that you are very kind.

And the people listening may or may not know, we've actually known each other for a while,

where I remember we first met when you were, I think you were still at Harvard and I was still in

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