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I'm very happy to have with me today Nathan Gorinstein, former investigative reporter for the Philadelphia Inquirer, Pulitzer Prize nominee, an author of Tommy Gun Winter, Jewish Gangsters, a preacher's daughter, and the trial that shocked 1930s Boston.

Welcome to Most Notorious. Thank you so much for being here.

Thanks, thanks for having me.

So when did you first hear about the Millen Faber Gang, and why did you decide to write a book about them?

Well, I first heard of one person, I didn't even know his name at the time, that there was an adancor over at Kinoff family.

This was when I was home from college on a vacation of sorts, what my fifth day came over to tell me that I grew up in another, had said there was a bank robbery in the family, sort of shrugged at the time and didn't take much time.

And didn't know anything else about it so many years later, this would be the late 90s, when I was a retirement party for a relative, who my mother had babysat for us, my mother, by this point, was probably over 80, and Billy was probably, who was retiring in this first year.

Someone came up to my mother, who was a very late, very good human, wanted peace, and talked to her, and she came over to my father and I said, which is really unlike her.

I said, well, when we're so impolite, she wanted to talk about the Millen brothers, and my father said, who was I saying the book was a bit of a tough guy, said, I wouldn't marry you anyway.

And that was interesting, what was this about? And so I started doing research on that and found out that it wasn't just one guy, it wasn't just brother, it was a MIT grad, it was a minister's daughter, and they weren't just bank robbers, they were killers, and they ended up having the longest word of trying to say history.

So I started doing research and was reporting, you know, you know, and reporting, you know, when you have a good story, because as you report something out, the facts become more interesting, or the events become more intriguing.

Sometimes you report a story and it becomes sort of dull by as you're going along.

In this case, it became ever more fascinating. And so I knew I had a story there, but I wasn't able to write it, and it wasn't until I became an editor, and then went back to my own writing that I sort of had the mental security, like the better phrase, to see what I had to do to make my early enough proposal work.

So I did that and I got a proposal and then book a draft.

So let's begin with Mert and Irv Millen. Their family story is incredibly interesting and tragic in a way too.

Describe Mert and Irv if you would. Their personalities, their relationship, and how their childhoods affected them.

Sure. First, let me give a family connection. Mert and Irv were my first cousins twice in the mood, which I never understand, but what it means is that

their father and my great grandfather were brothers. So if our fathers were brothers, they would be my first cousins, but it was the grandfather and the great grandfather, so that makes them twice removed.

Their father was a blacksmith who would come over from Russia and set up a broad eye in business, and he was a violent, probably psychopathic man in his own right.

He married when there was a bookkeeper, and he regularly beat and abused his children. He had a particular eye out for Mert.

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