549 MLK, Black Voices & A New Book on Lent w/Esau McCaulley
The Holy Post
Phil Vischer
4.5 • 4.4K Ratings
🗓️ 3 February 2023
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
Phil catches up with friend-of-the-show Esau McCaulley (New Testament Professor, NYT columnist, author of CT Book of the Year Reading While Black) for a wide-ranging conversation. Why do we keep getting MLK wrong? What do Black voices give up in order to be invited into white spaces, and is there a better way? What does McCaulley do to refocus on Jesus? And why did he decide his new book should be about, of all things, Lent??
McCaulley is a deep thinker AND a little bit of a goofball. Which makes his conversations with Phil always worth your time.
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0:46 - Intro
2:36 - Esau McCaulley interview
5:43 Martin Luther King Jr.
21:43 Systemic racism
28:01 Black voices in white spaces
41:50 Lent
45:58 End Credits
Links mentioned
The Kind of Revolution That Martin Luther King Jr. Envisioned by Esau McCaulley
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/15/opinion/martin-luther-king-woke-reparations.html
@esaumccaulley
Esaumccaulley.com
Lent: The Season of Repentance and Renewal (Fullness of Time, 1) by Esau McCaulley https://amzn.to/3WXNodo
Reading While Black by Esau McCaulley https://amzn.to/3Rzw1ys
Josey Johnson's Hair and the Holy Spirit by Esau McCaulley https://amzn.to/3HUgndE
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| 0:00.0 | This episode is sponsored in part by World Relief, the Christian humanitarian organization |
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| 0:47.6 | Welcome to the Holypost. |
| 0:49.2 | On today's show, Phil talks to our friend Esom McColley about what we keep getting wrong |
| 0:53.8 | about Martin Luther King, Jr. |
| 0:55.9 | McColley says we have a tendency to remake our heroes in our own image so that they affirm |
| 1:00.7 | what we already believe rather than challenge us. |
| 1:03.8 | He explains how this happens all the time with MLK. |
| 1:07.3 | Esom also talks about the way many black voices are used as projectiles between warring factions |
| 1:13.2 | of white progressives and white conservatives. |
| 1:15.8 | And finally, Phil talks to him about his latest book, Lent, the season for repentance and |
| 1:21.2 | renewal. |
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