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Jocko Podcast

541: Skills, Struggle, and Responsibility. With Jimmy May.

Jocko Podcast

Jocko DEFCOR Network

History, Business, Management

4.931.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 May 2026

⏱️ 121 minutes

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Jimmy May returns to discuss life after the military, helping veterans transition, building stronger families, and teaching the next generation resilience and responsibility.



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0:00.0

This is Jocko Podcast number 541 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink. Good evening.

0:04.5

Good evening. The military provides more than a job. It provides identity, community, structure, and purpose.

0:11.8

When those pillars are removed simultaneously, many veterans experience what researchers call transition stress, a combination of identity disruption, loss of community,

0:23.6

and uncertainty about the future. Common challenges include translating military skills into

0:30.2

civilian resume language, navigating unwritten workplace norms that differ vastly from military

0:36.3

culture, finding community after leaving the tight-knit bonds of service, managing mental health during a period of major life change.

0:45.1

Understanding these challenges is the first step toward overcoming them.

0:49.4

The military to civilian transition is not an ending.

0:53.4

It's a redeployment.

0:54.8

Your mission has changed, but your capacity for excellence has not.

1:00.3

And that right there is a quote from an article written about an organization called Beyond the Brotherhood.

1:07.6

And it was actually founded by one of my brothers from the teams who started his Navy career as an enlisted man on the path of becoming a new Navy nuclear technician

1:18.6

Oh, you're gonna say that. Hey, it was your career and thankfully he found his way to college ROTC commissioning and the seal pipeline made it through the seal pipeline

1:29.1

stationed at seal team two followed by language school for Arabic which he utilized when he joined

1:35.2

task unit bruiser in Ramadi actually arriving the day that Mark Lee was killed he was on the operation

1:41.2

when Mike Monsor was killed he was wounded himself a through

1:45.9

and through miracle shot to the chest that missed his body armor and thankfully also missed

1:52.6

his heart his lungs his ribs his arteries and his veins and he went on to become a platoon

1:59.3

commander at seal team three where he worked for Seth Stone.

2:02.3

He was a troop commander.

2:03.2

He was Exo at Buds, deputy commander at Siege of Sotif, opposite group one.

2:07.4

He finally retired.

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