Welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast, a production of Catholic Answers.

Hey everyone, welcome to the Council of Trend Podcast.

I'm your host, Catholic Answers Apologist and Speaker, Trent Horn.

Every now and then, some people tell me that we don't need apologetics.

People don't really respond to arguments.

That's not what moves them to conversion.

Rather, what we should be doing is just practicing charity, kindness, compassion.

What's ironic here, though, is that this individual is giving me an argument about why people

are not moved by arguments.

I always do find that ironic when I hear this.

What they'll say is even if people are moved by arguments that primarily what we should

be focusing on, especially to certain groups, like those who identify as LGBT, for example,

they'll say, if people don't want to hear what we have to say, they want to see radical

kindness, holiness, charity.

If we just practiced a kind of holiness that was just unsurpassed, people would see the

beauty of our faith and they would be more enticed to it.

They'd be more interested in seeing what it's about.

So, what are my thoughts on some of this?

Well, number one, the only thing that moves people to conversion is the Holy Spirit.

You and I, no matter how smart we are, no matter how charitable we are, no matter how

holy we are, our human abilities do not move people to convert.

That is the job of the Holy Spirit.

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