Greetings to you friends. It is I, Deetrucelle, and this is the Dunker Trustle family on a podcast in Holy Lord in Heaven.

We've got a blazer for you today. First, some backstory. When I was in high school, I became obsessed with an author, Robert Monroe.

He wrote a bunch of books, the most famous being journeys out of the body, which are his accounts of the experiences he had when he figured out how to do something.

You've probably heard of astral projection. Now, this is a very old idea. Maybe one of the oldest ideas and different cultures have different ways of expressing it, but essentially the ideas you can launch yourself out of the sheath of your body and fly around the material universe.

Now, do we really have a soul that can launch itself out of a sheath that we call our body? I don't know. There's all kinds of weird stuff wrapped up in astral projection, a kind of silvery cord that connects you to your body, that tethers you to your body, and if that cord should be cut, you're out of here, baby.

Again, I don't know if we actually have a soul or some kind of astral aspect to us that can fly outside of the body. I don't know. I speculate that astral projection is really just a form of lucid dreaming, but who knows?

I speculate it could be a way to induce sleep paralysis. That thing you've probably experienced where you wake up, you can't move. Some people claim that they feel like an old lady sitting on their chest.

There's lots of stories about it, documentaries about it. Truly, I don't know, but when I was in high school, I diligently began studying Robert Monroe's techniques of astral projection.

His methods of relaxing and all of the ways that you're supposed to come out of your body by rolling out of it, lots of weird little tricks. I could never pull it off, but my mom had a tape, a hypnotic tape on astral projection.

For a while, every night I would listen to it. I still remember it would try to relax you by having you imagine that you're on an escalator or something, and then after you fell asleep, it would continue and seed you with methods or the ways to come out of your body.

Importantly, it would implant in you the belief that this is something you could achieve. One morning, I was skipping school and laying in bed, I'd fallen asleep.

You know that wonderful, deep, relaxing sleep you used to get in high school when you were skipping school and went to bed. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about, but four stars, level of sleep. I was deep asleep.

And then I thought I heard somebody knocking on the door of our house. I woke up and suddenly my fan was right in my face. Now, in those days, I was taking LSD all the time.

My first thought was, oh, this is some kind of acid flashback. And then I kind of drifted around and saw myself asleep in bed and realized that my mom's hypnotapes had actually worked.

I was doing astral projection. It was not what I had fantasized, what I had fantasized was like I'd be able to fly around, spy on people, go through walls, do anything I wanted.

But this was terrifying. There was a sense of a dark, looming presence in the room. And I just wanted to get back in my body. So somehow I managed to float down to my body. I floated through my body and landed on the floor underneath my bed and then opened my eyes. And I was wide awake.

After that, it happened, I don't know, maybe 10 or 12 more times. Each time was pretty scary. And I never really liked it. Maybe that's why I can't do it anymore. Though I have tried a few times.

There's lots of methods out there. If you're interested in doing astral projection, journeys out of the body is probably the best place you could go.

If you're interested in lucid dreaming, there's lots of techniques out there. One of them is really, really curious. The idea is you sort of set a timer on your watch. And every hour your alarm goes off and you think to yourself, am I dreaming?

And if you're not dreaming, you just go back to your regular life. But if you do this long enough, then what will happen is in a dream your alarm will go off and you will be lucid dreaming.

You'll be able to enjoy what it's like to have some kind of conscious control over your dreams. And this is something that for sure people can do. You might have experienced it yourself. In fact, it's one of the best things that can happen, isn't it? When you're having a nightmare and suddenly you remember that you're in a dream, like right away, the nightmare transforms.

Now, in this incredible book written by today's guest, Tenzinwango Rempische, the Tibetan yogas of dream and sleep, all of this gets kind of turned on its head. Instead of setting alarms or reminding yourself throughout the day that you're awake, you do the opposite.

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