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534: Soldiers, SEALs, and Ramadi. Leading In The Most Challenging Combat Environment. With Company Commander, Jason Pelletier

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4.931.8K Ratings

🗓️ 1 April 2026

⏱️ 205 minutes

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A U.S. Army infantry officer forged by a brutal childhood and hardened in the Battle of Ramadi, Jason Pelletier shares how his unit fought, adapted, and passed on hard-earned lessons that helped keep SEALs and soldiers alive in one of Iraq’s most violent cities.



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0:00.0

This is Jocko podcast number 534 with Echo Charles and me Jocko Willink. Good evening.

0:05.0

Good evening.

0:06.0

365 dawns carved us a hollow until we became strangers wearing familiar faces to the families we left behind.

0:16.0

Dawn by dawn until the ground we held lived within us as much as we lived within it a different kind of becoming

0:27.6

Survival evolved instinct into intelligence

0:31.9

We learned to hear threat in the absence of children's laughter to taste a menace in a sea of glances We felt danger in the absence of children's laughter to taste menace in a sea of glances.

0:39.3

We felt danger in the wrongness of an afternoon shadow.

0:44.3

We were students of each other's breaking points.

0:49.3

We had trust.

0:52.3

When everything went sideways, we could remain steady.

0:57.0

Our faithful judgment, the last thing standing, when solutions failed.

1:04.0

By the end, we carried the city with us.

1:09.0

Every building, a reminder of families caught between our

1:12.4

mission and our enemy every intersection the memory of a friend gone every smell a

1:22.1

moment shared with death the terrible alchemy of the experience making us unbreakable but sending us home as strangers to ourselves

1:38.2

and that right there is a poem called familiar faces which is written by j Altieri, who was a soldier, a team and squad leader with team Catamount during the Battle of Ramadian.

1:53.1

He was there with the 2nd Brigade, 28th Infantry Division, Pennsylvania National Guard.

2:00.0

And those are soldiers that did a valiant job

2:03.6

Taking the fight to the enemy and setting conditions for victory in that city

2:09.6

And we've heard from well, we've heard from the commander of that brigade

2:14.4

General John Gronsky we also heard from General Greg Knight, who is a task force

2:19.3

battle captain during that deployment. And tonight we have Jason Pellateer, who served as a company

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