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You are not alone.

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Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

What a struggle, you know?

It was incredible.

It looks like your head exploded, seeing what was really there.

And now here's your host, Brad Listing. Hello. Hi, everybody. Hi, how's it going? This is the Other People podcast. Welcome to The Other People Show. I'm Brad Listy. I'm in Los Angeles. It's on fire. The city's on fire. It's smoky. It's hot. It's dangerous. It's summertime. It's 120 degrees. It's 100 degrees at night. There's a hot wind blowing. It smells like fire. It's like a blow dryer in your face at night. It's crazy. The Griffith Park Observatory as we speak is almost in flames. I think the L.A. Fire Department has it under control, but it came very close. And it would have been a heartbreaker because it's one of my favorite places in the city.

It's a beautiful spot. It figures, I think, into the movie Rebel Without a Cause. Isn't that right? Isn't there a scene? Isn't there like a fight scene? James Dean up there? I want to say Dennis Hopper appears in that scene, almost like as an

extra or in a bit role. It was one of his earliest parts. I think I have that right. Anyway, I

have Otessa Moshfeg on the program today. I'm very pleased about this. I've been wanting to

talk to her for a while now. Over the past few years, she's had an incredible run of success in publishing.

I think one of the better runs of success for any young writer working in the United States of America.

In 2014, she published a novella called McGlew.

It won the Fence Modern Prize.

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