You've had two sessions with my daughter and after the second one I got

I got quite angry but when that has settled down a bit I was thinking that I had

quite angry but when that has settled down a bit I was thinking how can I help my daughter and then later I'm more thinking like is it possible

even to help my daughter. The background is for those who don't know. It's this is a

result of a divorce. It must be now, let's see, 25 years ago, maybe more.

We're getting near to 30 years ago and my children, my children, my ex-wife.

And my children, my ex-wife has had the children living at her place and my

I it's hard to find the words, I'm sorry.

But it didn't turn out so well for my children, and so they are having difficulties especially my daughter are having difficulties now especially with her self-esteem which is making her make bad choices.

And then of course, I would like to know,

how can I help her at this stage. I have been trying over the years

but I don't think it has done much maybe it has I don't know you can you can't know but

She needs more help. Yes, Let's leave it up that.

Right, right. Do you want to tell me a little bit about how you met your ex-wife and how the relationship started and all that kind of good stuff?

Okay.

We met when I was studying at university and so was she.

And we had a good time.

Yes, we had good time, but,

and we moved together and we were married after...

I'm so sorry to interrupt after I just asked you a big question.

My apologies, you have a way of talking that it's very and when I hear

people pause that much and you know I'm guessing English is not your native

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