This is Jocko Podcast number 530 with Echo Charles and me Jocco Willink. Good evening.

Good evening.

If you're ever given the choice between being ambushed or ambushing someone else, go with the latter.

It is infinitely more enjoyable. When you are ambushed, you are often caught unprepared and in an environment that favors your enemy fear in these

situations is normal if we can agree that fear will be present it is no longer a question

of whether or not you will be afraid the question becomes whether you are going to

allow it to control you or are you going to control it when you are ambushed the single

most dangerous thing that you can do is remain in place and do nothing. If you do, your enemy is bound to maneuver on you and destroy you. The likeliest way to sustain your life and to turn the tables on your enemy is to maneuver. When you maneuver, you change the angles on your enemy, you change the geometry

of the problem, and you start forcing them to react. In a perfect tactical world, you would

maneuver, flank, and destroy your enemy. The first step in that sequence is the most critical,

and it answers the question I have received countless times, how do I get started?

The answer, you move.

And that right there is an excerpt from a new incredible book called Drownproof.

Drownproof, eight life lessons to keep your head above water.

It is written by my brother and retired seal.

Andy Stumpf and our paths crossed briefly while we were both in the teams and we actually got to know each other more once we both retired.

Andy was one of the first guests on this podcast.

I don't know if you know that, Andy.

You were guest number 12.

I counted out there.

I thought I was like episode 64. You were were episode 64 but I used to just read books more

and then eventually I started getting the people that wrote the books on which

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