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The Conqueror's Office

We kindly light a myth in circling glue.

Leave thou me on the night is dark and alone.

Hello and welcome to another edition of Mormon Stories Podcast. I'm your host John DeLin and this is something rare. It's April 2nd. I just got through interviewing Marisa Calderman, Marisa Pond Calderman, wife of Carson Calderman and I'm going to be interviewing someone else in the same evening.

My family is out of town. I'm home all alone and so I'm cramming in the interviews.

And I am so excited to be interviewing Lindsey Van Allen and Kirk Van Allen.

And you know, it fits very much along the theme of my interview with Carson and Marisa.

And you know, as many of you know, Denver snowferer was excommunicated.

You know, late, you know, 2013, Kay Kelly was excommunicated in mid 2014 and of course I was excommunicated in early 2015.

And you know, one of the one of the real concerns that many of us had was that this would sort of launch sort of the empowerment or a new wave of of disciplinary actions taken against members for doing something as simple as publicly or openly expressing their doubts or questions or disbelief.

And a few weeks ago, I came across one of the most mind blowing examples of how this craziness can really go awry.

And so today we have Kirk and Lindsey here to talk about what happened, but just to give you the really short version of it, Kirk Van Allen posted on his blog.

Something just very simple, which basically said, I do not believe that section 132, which deals with polygamy of the doctrine of covenants is a revelation from God.

And that's all he said, you know, it's if you listen to Gordon B. Hinckley, when there's interview with Larry King, he says polygamy is not doctrinal.

If you're paying attention to the LDS church at all in the 2000s, they do everything they can to distance themselves from polygamy.

But because you know, because Kirk dared to say that he disbelieved one of the sections of the doctrine of covenants, he was he was called in by his his bishop and later by your state president, is that right Kirk?

That is right. Yes. And and he has been sort of threatened with the disciplinary council and he hasn't gotten a letter yet, but they've they've they've now met with an area authority.

So you know, it's it's certainly being escalated and they're in the middle of waiting to hear back to see that they were certainly told that if they didn't take it down, they would be excommunicated.

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