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53: Regulating AI and Protecting Children. Kevin Frazier (Law School Fellow at the University of Texas at Austin) addresses the growing concern over AI chatbots following tragedies, noting that while only 1.9% of ChatGPT conversations relate to "relationships

The John Batchelor Show

John Batchelor

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🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Regulating AI and Protecting Children. Kevin Frazier (Law School Fellow at the University of Texas at Austin) addresses the growing concern over AI chatbots following tragedies, noting that while only 1.9% of ChatGPT conversations relate to "relationships," this fraction still warrants significant attention. He criticizes early state legislative responses, such as Illinois banning AI therapy tools, arguing that such actions risk denying mental health support to children who cannot access human therapists. Frazier advocates against imposing restrictive statutory law on the rapidly evolving technology. Instead, he recommends implementing a voluntary, standardized rating system, similar to the MPA film rating system. This framework would provide consumers with digestible information via labels—like "child safe" or "mental health appropriate"—to make informed decisions and incentivize industry stakeholders to develop safer applications.
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I'm John Batchel, speaking to my colleague Kevin Fraser from the University of Texas at Austin Law School, a fellow writing most recently about the worries that legislators have in different states about AI in the hands of children. And that is similar to a concern that

0:23.9

was about 100 years ago, Kevin, when Hollywood suddenly was introducing into family life

0:30.5

unacceptable topics, depending on where you lived in the country and what your background was.

0:35.9

And Hollywood had a solution. What was it, Kevin?

0:39.5

Yeah. So in the 1960s, we saw the Motion Picture Association, or the MPA, as folks might know it

0:47.1

better, develop a rating system. This was the voluntary standardized framework that

0:52.8

inform consumers about the sorts of content they were going

0:57.0

to see in a movie. Today, we know them as PG-13, R, or even NR movies. And based off of that

1:05.0

simple determination, parents, children, adults generally, consumers writ large, can make informed decisions about whether

1:13.2

that's the sort of movie that aligns with their values and preferences.

1:17.7

And by virtue of just creating this voluntary framework, we were able to empower consumers

1:23.0

to make wise choices that really made sure that they were not exposing themselves to something

1:29.1

they didn't want to see, and in particular, something their children did not want to see.

1:33.7

But John, crucially, this was not an instance of the government saying, you cannot make a certain

1:39.4

kind of movie, you cannot show a certain kind of scene, or even mandating very specific criteria on movie

1:47.0

theaters, but instead a voluntary, flexible standard grounded in consumer education.

1:53.0

What is striking to me is that the MPA system came out of a system that was known as the Hayes

2:00.0

office, it was censorship, which is

2:02.4

strikingly similar to what is being entertained by certain states. Censorship never worked

2:07.7

because it was a sales point. You can't see that, tells children immediately they've got to

2:12.5

sneak in and see it. What you're recommending is guidance for the parents and an understanding of what is and is not age appropriate.

2:22.0

I find that a very useful version of what can happen next because it's worked before.

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