53. Prigozhin - Putin's Replacement?

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🗓️ 24 May 2023

⏱️ 39 minutes

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On this week's Big Interview, Saul and Patrick speak to British journalist and policy analyst - Anatol Lieven, who has recently returned from a trip to Ukraine. In a thought provoking and intriguing interview Anatol challenges some of the established positions and narratives surrounding the conflict, and raised concern about the prospect of Ukraine launching an offensive into Crimea. If you have any thoughts or questions, you can send them to - [email protected] Producer: James Hodgson Twitter: @PodBattleground Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:49.0	Yeah. Hello and welcome to the Battleground podcast Big Interview. Our guest today is Dr. Anatole Levin.
0:55.2	Anatole is a former journalist who work for the Times, the Financial Times and the BBC. He's currently director of the Eurasian program at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. He's just
1:02.4	recently been on a wide-ranging tour of Ukraine. This is what he told us about what he saw
1:08.5	and what he heard.
1:15.7	Anatole, welcome to the podcast.
1:18.0	Have you recently been on a tour of Ukraine?
1:21.2	Can you tell us what you were hearing there and how you gauge the mood?
1:30.5	The mood is confident and certainly there is solid determination to resist the Russian invasion and to go on fighting.
1:38.7	There are certain potential cracks and difficulties, but at the moment they are largely under the surface.
1:47.2	They could, however, emerge in future, particularly if there is a move towards or pressure on Ukraine to agree to a ceasefire, then I think you could see serious political divisions emerging in the
1:52.2	Ukrainian elites. Anato, we'll be asking you about the potential ceasefire in a bit more detail
1:58.0	in a moment. But before we get there, just want to sort of drill
2:01.8	down into some of the interesting dynamics, particularly on the Russian side at the moment. And that, of
2:06.5	course, is the endless criticism, very vocal, very overt from Prygosin, the Wagner boss, whose, of course,
2:14.8	forces are conducting the seemingly endless fight for Bach Moods against
2:19.4	the Russian leadership, the military leadership, in particular, but also, you know, he seems
2:24.5	almost to be moving into criticism of Putin himself. Can you explain how he's getting away with
2:29.6	this, really, and what really lies behind it in your view? Well, Prokosion is getting away with it because, you know, he has been built up by the Kremlin
2:37.9	as an important force in the Ukraine war.
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