53. Is Britain sliding into fascism? - Live show
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Owen Jones
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🗓️ 22 March 2021
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
The 'F' word is a biggie - but as the government unleashes a crackdown on protest in atmosphere of increasingly intolerant right-wing populism, where is Britain headed? I'm joined by two brilliant guests: author Prof. Gargi Bhattacharyya and David Renton.
Plus - we're joined by Steve Turner, assistant general secretary of Unite, on his bid to be Len McCluskey's successor, on a green industrial revolution, Keir Starmer, and much else.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the show. Happy Sunday, if you're watching live, if you're |
| 0:12.5 | listening on the podcast, welcome. Do you spread the word on both? Today, the S-bomb. Now, dropping |
| 0:18.3 | the S-bomb, I appreciate it's a biggie isn't it? Fascism, just throwing fascism into a conversation, |
| 0:23.9 | instantly provokes some sort of a very strong response, I think it's fair to say. |
| 0:29.4 | Now, the reason, and I appreciate it's a provocative title we have for the show, |
| 0:32.8 | is Britain sliding into fascism. And the reason we're having this conversation now, |
| 0:38.1 | is it is a live discussion. I've seen various viral treats, particularly from younger people on |
| 0:43.7 | the left, discussing fascism, discussing the F-word, and about where Britain is heading. |
| 0:50.1 | So I thought we would bring in today to brilliant experts who I will shortly introduce, |
| 0:55.5 | and we will have a thoughtful, interesting, nuanced conversation about fascism, what better way |
| 1:01.0 | to spend lockdown than that. And as well as I should say, we've got this brilliant discussion, |
| 1:08.5 | and we're later joined as well by Steve Turner. Now, Steve Turner is the assistant general secretary of |
| 1:12.7 | the United, he's standing to be a successor to Lemma Clusky. We've got a lot to talk about with him, |
| 1:17.9 | ranging from a Green Industrial Revolution, to Keir Starmer's leadership. How's that going? |
| 1:25.6 | It'll be an interesting discussion, so do you stay tuned for that as well? Now fascism, |
| 1:30.4 | now why are we talking about this? So there has been objectively the growth in this country, |
| 1:37.1 | sanctioned, of course, by the government, and encouraged by large sections of the media towards |
| 1:43.1 | a very authoritarian form of right-wing populism. This didn't start on the Boris Johnson, |
| 1:48.7 | and I have to say the redemption arc that you sometimes get from ghoulish members of the |
| 1:55.2 | establishment is grim to watch, and Theresa May has proved not to be an exception. But Theresa May |
| 2:01.5 | is her government, her administration was the first which I think really actively toyed |
| 2:07.6 | with right-wing authoritarianism. Let's just start by reminding ourselves of a speech she made |
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