528: Real Rank and Real Authority is Earned.
Jocko Podcast
Jocko DEFCOR Network
4.9 • 31.8K Ratings
🗓️ 18 February 2026
⏱️ 109 minutes
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Summary
Breaking down a 1965 U.S. Army manual, Basic Problems in Small Unit Leadership, and show how its lessons still apply today. They explore the fundamentals of leadership: building trust, developing confidence, balancing mission and people, and creating psychological “steel” within a team.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Jocko Podcast number 528 with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, |
| 0:04.2 | Echow. Good evening. So there are problems in leadership, as we know. And believe it or not, |
| 0:09.0 | the problems repeat themselves over and over again because human beings, as different as we are, |
| 0:16.8 | we are the same. We all have the egos, the emotions, the idiosyncrasies, the agendas, the self-interest. It's all there. It's kind of like a snowflake. You can definitely identify a snowflake when you see one, right? Yeah. But every snowflake is different. It's a very similar thing. All snowflakes will melt when it gets warm out, right? There's a whole bunch of commonalities. Well, it's the same thing with human beings and i found a a manual from the u.s army from their human research unit in fort |
| 0:44.3 | benning georgia written in 1965 so it's got kind of the culmination of lessons from world war one |
| 0:49.4 | world war two korea and then you know 1965 they're just getting into Vietnam and interestingly that the |
| 0:56.2 | manual is called basic problems in small unit leadership right basic problems in small unit |
| 1:02.4 | leadership some really good insight some interesting takes on leadership and definitely some |
| 1:08.5 | lessons for us to learn and confirm. |
| 1:12.6 | So that's what we're doing. |
| 1:14.3 | Let's go to the book. |
| 1:15.6 | Once again, |
| 1:16.2 | basic problems in small unit leadership. |
| 1:20.2 | Getting into it. |
| 1:21.2 | At the most fundamental level, |
| 1:23.1 | a leader is a person with influence over other people. |
| 1:25.8 | This influence may be the result of |
| 1:28.0 | appointment to a formal position of leadership or of acceptance by a group of persons who then |
| 1:34.8 | become followers so this is a this is an interesting just bifurcation out of the gate that this |
| 1:41.8 | book does in both cases the leader's success is ultimately |
| 1:45.9 | determined by the performance of those he leads. So look, if you're a leader, success is based on |
| 1:50.1 | how well the team does. This performance depends on the quality and nature of his leadership |
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