Yes, we will be angry because John is refusing to admit how wrong he is and I'm angry that John won't admit how wrong he is

So I think I actually might have solved my Apple watch ultra band problem

Okay, so all right the Apple watch ultra

I it has a bunch of bands that are okay that are made specifically for it

They're all okay in different ways none of them are great

I thought I'm not trying to be funny

I thought that all of or most of the ultra specific bands were really well-liked

Is that not true? Did I make that up? Okay? Here's the problem they have the Alpine loop

This is the one that has its its cloth and it has all the little tiny loops and you hook with the metal thing

You hook into one of them to put it on

It is most commonly seen and it's in its orange color

Which I think is one of the best looking Apple watch ultra bands is the orange Alpine loop

Problem is it well first of all

I don't find it super easy to get a good fit on that because of the weird hook mechanism

You got to keep popping it out and get the right one and everything

So it's not super easy to get a good fit on that and then second of all

It's cloth and so it absorbs moisture and stuff and my primary use of my Apple watch ultra is workouts and so

That's a no-go for me also the Alpine loops 10 because they are cloth they tend to get dirty and just colored fairly easily

And fairly quickly after you own them and so you can wash them again just like the the woven loops you can wash them to some extent

But it's you know whatever

All right, then you have the trail loops

These are kind of like the Apple watch ultra version of those like Velcro

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