This is Jocko Podcast number 525 with Echo Charles and me, Janko Willing.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

So we are picking up from the last episode, episode 524.

We are continuing on with the book, Soldiers and Soldiering by Ultra Bar, Ultrabard, Archerbald, Wavel, or Wayvel.

If you haven't listened to 524 yet, then go start there.

Go back and listen to it.

It'll give you a little more background.

Field Marshal, Wayvel was a combat experienced,

a leader in multiple wars on multiple fronts.

He was also a military historian.

He's a writer, and you can get the rest of his bio in that last episode.

But some of what he wrote was captured in this book, Soldiers and Soldering.

So we are picking up where we left off on the last podcast.

So let's get back to the book.

Here we go.

As you are aware, the relations between soldiers and statesmen, and by the way, this

section is called the soldier and the statesman.

And really what it could be called when you read it, it could be called the soldier and the

politician, which obviously has its own little drama wrapped around it.

As you are aware, the relations between soldiers and statesmen were not too happy in the late war.

Broadly speaking, the politician charged the soldier with narrowness of outlook and professional pedantry,

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