524: How Soldiers and Soldiering Reflect Real Life Every Single Day
Jocko Podcast
Jocko DEFCOR Network
4.9 • 31.8K Ratings
🗓️ 21 January 2026
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Summary
Focusing on what makes effective commanders: robustness under stress, calmness, boldness, common sense, logistics, and staying connected to the troops—plus why “luck” usually follows action and risk. Breaking down leadership lessons from Field Marshal Archibald Wavell (and his “In Praise of Infantry” / Soldiers and Soldiering).
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| 0:00.0 | This is Jocko podcast number 524 with Echo Charles and me. |
| 0:03.2 | Jocko Willink. |
| 0:03.8 | Good evening. |
| 0:04.8 | Good evening. |
| 0:05.7 | Let us be clear about three facts. |
| 0:08.4 | First, all battles and all wars are won in the end by the infantrymen. |
| 0:14.1 | Secondly, the infantryman always bears the brunt. |
| 0:17.8 | His casualties are heavier. |
| 0:19.3 | He suffers greater extremes of discomfort and fatigue than the other arms |
| 0:24.1 | Thirdly the art of the infantrymen is less stereotyped and far harder to acquire in modern war than that of any other arm |
| 0:34.6 | The infantryman has to use initiative and intelligence in almost every step he moves, |
| 0:40.4 | every action he takes on the battlefield. We ought, therefore, to put our men of best intelligence |
| 0:46.3 | and endurance into the infantry. And that right there is a quote from field Marshal Archibald Weavell. |
| 0:57.0 | He's an Earl. |
| 0:59.0 | And the article was in the London Times in 1945. |
| 1:03.3 | The article was titled In Praise of Infantry. |
| 1:06.0 | And Archibald Weavell was the son of a major general, a major general in the British Army that fought in the |
| 1:13.3 | Second Boer War commanded Johannesburg after its capture. |
| 1:18.4 | Wayvel went then went to the Royal Military College in Sanhurst. |
| 1:23.1 | He was commissioned in 1901 as a second lieutenant in the black watch he himself fought in the |
| 1:28.7 | Boer War so he was I guess he was working for his dad at some point then he was off to |
| 1:33.6 | India he fought in the bizarre valley campaign which was a punitive expedition against a |
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