523: Derek Thompson - The Meaning Of Work, Responding To Rejection, Earning Your Dream Job, Impressing Bill Simmons, & How To Find The Next Great QB
The Learning Leader Show With Ryan Hawk
Ryan Hawk
4.9 • 1.4K Ratings
🗓️ 23 April 2023
⏱️ 78 minutes
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Derek Thompson is a staff writer at The Atlantic and author of the books Hit Makers and On Work: Money, Meaning, Identity, and the host of the podcast Plain English.
Notes:
- Before graduating from high school, Derek appeared in several theatrical productions at the Folger Shakespeare Theater and the Shakespeare Theater.
- Why do Americans care so much about work?
- workism is "the belief that work is not only necessary to economic production but also the centerpiece of one's identity and life's purpose."
- Jobs, Careers, or Callings: One theory of work holds that people tend to see themselves in jobs, careers, or callings…
- The Bow and Arrow metaphor… We need stress, but we need to let it go. You pull back on the bow and arrow… Then you let it go. Stress + Rest = Growth
- "Happiness means being balanced between busyness and leisure."
- The mark of a good leader? Don't be afraid to ask the ignorant question… Have the confidence to ask it.
- Derek had breakfast with the prominent CEO… The CEO was deeply curious about Derek. Asked him a lot of questions, listened intently, and asked great follow-ups. Great leaders make their conversations about the other person. Follow your curiosity with great rigor.
- That same leader also had the emotional intelligence to not bother Derek Jeter while he was having breakfast. He knew there would be a better time to meet.
- The book, an anthology of Thompson's articles for The Atlantic, includes a new adaptation of his essay on workism, a term that he defines as "the belief that work is not only necessary to economic production but also the centerpiece of one's identity and life's purpose."
- "The decline of traditional faith in America has coincided with an explosion of new atheisms," Thompson writes. "Some people worship beauty, some worship political identities, and others worship their children. But everybody worships something. And workism is among the most potent of the new religions competing for congregants."
- How Derek earned a job writing for The Atlantic out of college?
- After being rejected 30 times, he applied for a fellowship with The Atlantic and got it. He then earned a job writing about economics for them even though he had no background or interest in economics. "It's like the New York Yankees offered me to play second base even though I played catcher my whole life."
- How Derek earned a role as a podcast host working for Bill Simmons?
- "Bill had me on his podcast to talk about Covid after he read some things I'd written for The Atlantic. That was sort of an audition. After he had me on, he asked if I wanted to have my own podcast on his network. We eventually came up with the name Plain English."
- The name of the show is very important. You want people to be able to easily say, "Hey, I listen to Plain English."
- "Bill had me on his podcast to talk about Covid after he read some things I'd written for The Atlantic. That was sort of an audition. After he had me on, he asked if I wanted to have my own podcast on his network. We eventually came up with the name Plain English."
- How to predict the next great quarterback?
- It's contingent upon their surroundings (their coaching staff, receivers, linemen, etc...)
- Life/Career Advice:
- Skin thickness -- It can't be so thin that you can't accept criticism, but it can't be so thick that you stop listening. You have be somewhere in the middle.
- Working hours — no large country globally averages more hours of work per year than the United States. Americans work longer hours, have shorter vacations, get less unemployment, and retire later.
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Quick announcement before we get to tonight's episode with Derek Thompson. I want to address some feedback I received over the weekend. |
| 0:08.0 | I got an email from a listener who shared some of his thoughts on me potentially editing the show. |
| 0:19.0 | And so today before this one with Eric, I'm going to read his email. I'm going to share then some of the feedback I received from you as I posted this email. |
| 0:31.0 | I took out his name, but I posted the email on all of my social media over the weekend. And then I'm going to share my thoughts on it as well as what we're going to do moving forward. |
| 0:44.0 | Okay, here is the email I received said, Ryan, I know you stated that you don't edit out language because you want to keep it authentic. |
| 0:56.0 | It is my belief that one who can't or won't control his tongue or temper likely has other issues that reflect on his character in many professional settings such language may constitute a hostile work environment. |
| 1:11.0 | It would reflect poorly on my character and could result in punitive action for someone I might share it with as a result. |
| 1:19.0 | I review each show carefully before sharing and I can't recommend anyone follow your podcast though I have not found anything better in your space. |
| 1:30.0 | A recent podcast with a set of repeated f-bombs was likely one of the best, but rendered useless. |
| 1:40.0 | You have every right to do you, I have to do me. I thought you would like to know. |
| 1:48.0 | Again, I posted this email on Instagram stories, my Instagram stories and posted a quick ask, should I edit out language of the podcast? Yes or no? |
| 2:01.0 | I also posted this on LinkedIn, Twitter and Facebook. I wanted to get a wide variety of responses and gather what you, loyal listeners, think of this. |
| 2:14.0 | And I'm also genuinely curious just to kind of see your thoughts. |
| 2:19.0 | So first, I'll cover the results of my poll on Instagram as well as some of the other comments I shared, some of the ones were public and some were private. |
| 2:29.0 | If public, I'll share names. If private, I will not because all of my social media is public for anybody to see. |
| 2:35.0 | So first, the results of the poll on Instagram, my Instagram handle is at Ryan Hawk 12. 84% of people voted no. |
| 2:47.0 | Do not edit the authentic language used on the podcast. 16% said, yes, I should. |
| 2:56.0 | I also got a number of direct messages from you who shared a lot of emotion behind this. I was surprised. |
| 3:05.0 | I wasn't quite sure. When I got this email, it wasn't very early Saturday morning. I was at a volume tournament out of town. |
| 3:11.0 | I'm in a hotel working out in gym, thought, oh, let me just post this and see what people think. I'm curious. |
| 3:16.0 | I was a bit surprised at the amount of emotion, the number of F bombs I received in the DMs as how they felt for this person. |
| 3:25.0 | You sent the email was interesting. And I thought, well, it's worth addressing because this is feedback. And I'm trying to learn. |
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