Hey friend, welcome to Job with Julie. I am Julie Slattery and I'll remind you that this podcast is listener supported and it's an outreach of the ministry, authentic intimacy, where we help people make sense of God and sexual issues.

We've talked a lot about betrayal and recovery on this podcast over the years, and if you are a betrayed spouse,

the trauma can run very deep and really get in the way of your recovery. Beyond the hurt and the

shock of the betrayal, there's a reoccurring worry of future betrayals. Like, how can you know for

sure that your spouse has really changed? Well, that's where headed today.

And as often is the case with these conversations, what you're going to hear is a challenge

for everyone, not just for those who have walked through betrayal and marriage.

You're going to hear the process of how to become more deeply vulnerable and open to the

work that God wants to do in your own life.

And that can apply to all of us.

My guest today is Jeremy Smith.

He's a licensed professional counselor and a sexual recovery therapist.

Jeremy has developed a unique three-pronged approach to help both the individuals and the

marriage itself to recover from betrayal.

And he shares what makes it so powerful and effective and how spouses can discern if the change they're really seeing is real or surface level.

So settle in for my conversation with Jeremy Smith.

Hey, Jeremy, great to have you.

I'm on job with Julie.

Thanks so much for spending some time with me.

Thank you.

I am humbled and excited.

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