He would just curve.

He couldn't answer the questions.

So we got into thermodynamics, we got into, you know, radiant heat flow, we got into all kinds

of things, and then we asked him the one that he just, at the break, he said, please leave.

Welcome to the Fine Home Building podcast, our weekly discussion of building, remodeling, and design topics aimed at anybody who cares deeply about the craft and science of working on houses.

This is senior editor, Patrick McCone.

Today I'm joined by editorial advisor, Mike Gerton.

Morning. Good day, Patrick.

Find Home Building editorial director, Andrew Zellner.

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out the show notes at findhumbling.com slash podcast. Please email your questions to FHB Podcast at taunton.com.

Hey, guys, thanks so much for being here. Mike, you alluded to where you are. It's the middle of the night.

Am I right? Oh, not really. It's 6 a.m., which is already, I mean, I get up at 4, so it's the middle of the day for me.

And you're there for the deck builder show?

Can you tell me what you're doing in California?

Well, it's in Las Vegas, my least favorite city to go to. It's called the Deck Expo,

and it's co-located with the Pool, Spa, and Patio Show. And it's a trade show for deck

builders of whether they're exclusively deck builders or they're builders who include

deck building as part of their overall services.

And it's not a very big footprint of the show, but it's got a concentration of manufacturers

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