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🗓️ 19 November 2025
⏱️ 179 minutes
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After 15 years away, Dakota Meyer reenlisted in the Marine Corps because, in his words, he had “more to give.” In this episode, he and Jocko talk about the lifelong duty to serve others, the cost of freedom, and the honor of carrying forward the legacy of fallen brothers. A raw, unfiltered look at sacrifice, resilience, and living for something greater than yourself.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Jocko podcast number 515 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink. Good evening. |
| 0:04.7 | Good evening. |
| 0:06.9 | When I'm outperforming fire fighting duties, I don't hear the alarms and ask, why did this fire start? |
| 0:12.9 | Who caused it? Why did it have to happen now when I was in the middle of dinner with my family? |
| 0:18.6 | No, I act. I don my my gear climb into the engine and immediately |
| 0:25.4 | start to formulate a plan based on whatever problem I am told that I am headed |
| 0:28.9 | into the only questions I ask en route are solution based I rely upon experience |
| 0:35.8 | preparedness and training rather than on anxiety and nerves |
| 0:41.9 | Instead of asking why did this happen? I ask what can I do or what is my role in preventing this problem from getting worse |
| 0:52.7 | This movement from why to what strips away our emotional |
| 0:58.0 | thinking eliminates hypotheticals and empowers us with the flexibility to fix the problem rather |
| 1:04.8 | than wait for it to snowball and become too big for us to handle. Using the what line of thinking |
| 1:10.2 | is solution-based solution based logical and proactive |
| 1:13.6 | whereas the why approach is emotional abstract and inactive if we have a problem and we're stuck on the |
| 1:24.7 | why instead of the what we are going to be behind the curve every single time |
| 1:30.5 | I don't get stuck on hypotheticals or the past I go and I do the more we deal with the real problems |
| 1:42.0 | in absolutes the more we can change. |
| 1:48.5 | And that right there is an excerpt from a book called Why to What? |
| 1:52.9 | Written by Dakota Meyer. |
| 1:55.3 | And if that name sounds familiar, it should. |
| 1:58.3 | Dakota has been on this podcast before we discussed his first book called |
| 2:02.8 | Into the Fire about his time in Afghanistan. His brutal battle there, the battle in which |
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