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The Mark Divine Show

514. Emotional Intelligence in the Age of AI W/ Catherine Divine

The Mark Divine Show

Mark Divine

Fitness, Sealfit, Business, Leadership, Health & Fitness, Navyseals, Kokoroyoga, Alternative Health, Unbeatablemind, Politics, Entrepreneur, Health, Military, Yoga

4.81.7K Ratings

🗓️ 29 April 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Emotional Intelligence–or EQ is now more vital than ever. In today’s episode of The Unbeatable Mind, Mark’s daughter Catherine is sitting down for a candid and insightful discussion about emotional development and the evolving landscape of leadership in a world that’s becoming more dominated by AI. 

 

Catherine and Mark explore the limitations of traditional leadership models that prioritize IQ over EQ, touching on how emotional awareness, self-control, and the oft-overlooked concept of “us” in relationships are fundamental aspects of effective leadership. Drawing from their personal experiences, Mark and Catherine dissect the energy of emotions, the mind-body connection, and the importance of radical self-acceptance. 

 

Together, Mark and Catherine emphasize that real growth does not happen in isolation, it’s our most challenging interactions through the emotional landscape that we become better leaders, teammates, and people. 

 

Key Takeaways: 

  • Relational Development: Discover how the most impactful growth happens not in isolation, but through relationships. Real emotional development is tested through authentic connection and mutual vulnerability. 

  • EQ VS. IQ: Learn why Mark and Catherine believe EQ is the leadership superpower of the future. When machines can outperform us in data and logic, our unique advantage lies in self-awareness, empathy, and connection. 

  • The Body-Mind Connection: Understand how acknowledging the somatic side of your feelings can unlock deep growth and healing. Emotions are simply energy in motion—the body plays a key role. 

  • EQ as a Daily Practice: Recognize how emotional maturity is not a destination—but rather a lifelong journey that requires mindfulness, honest communication, and vulnerability. 

 

Catherine Divine is a leadership coach, author, and yoga instructor with over 20 years of experience helping leaders unlock their full potential. Coauthor of Kokoro Yoga with her stepfather, Mark Divine, and author of Sacred Silence, Catherine holds a Master’s in Transformative Leadership from CIIS and is pursuing a PhD in East-West Psychology. As a Master Unbeatable Mind Coach, she has trained C-suite executives, Special Ops candidates, and high-performance leaders, guiding them to integrate mindfulness, emotional intelligence, and resilience. Catherine combines intuitive healing with strategic insight to help leaders overcome challenges, heal from trauma, and strengthen their mind-body-soul connection.

 

Catherine’s Links: 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinec1/ 

Kokoro Yoga: https://unbeatablemind.com/kokoro-yoga/ 

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CatherineDivineYoga/ 

 

 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Mark Devine Show.

0:10.2

This is your host, Mark Devine.

0:11.8

Thanks for joining us today.

0:13.3

Super stoked that we get to share interesting conversations with some of my favorite scholars

0:19.1

and authors and leaders and all sorts of interesting people

0:22.8

who are doing uncommon things in the world.

0:24.9

So this show is about igniting passion and transformation in you.

0:29.0

So the fact that you're here is good news.

0:31.6

So thanks for being here and let's get busy.

0:34.4

Today I'm talking with the wonderful Catherine Devine, right, who's pursuing her PhD

0:40.0

in East-West psychology. So she's an expert in all sorts of things. She's an advanced yoga,

0:48.7

master, a healer, and an expert on emotional development. And so today we're going to talk about emotional development,

0:57.1

the importance of emotional development and emotional intellect or EQ for leadership.

1:02.5

I think it's absolutely crucial.

1:04.7

You know, think about this, Kath, like we are now pretty much everyone's finally figured out

1:09.4

that the age of AI is here.

1:10.9

It's been around for a while, but it's been behind the scenes.

1:13.4

Yep.

1:13.9

We've had now, Chad GPT and other large language models for a couple of years.

1:18.1

And I don't know about you, but I'm just starting to, like, discover how valuable these are.

1:23.6

It's like having an assistant with 140 IQ at your fingertips.

1:28.5

It's very interesting.

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