It's time for episode 512 of the clockwise podcast from Real AFM recorded Wednesday, July 19th, 2020.

Clockwise, four people,, where Four's Company and Three's a booking mistake.

I am one of your hosts, Micah Sargent, and I am joined across the internet by my good pal, my good friend, my dungeon buddy, because we play Dungeons and the Dragons online together.

It's Dan the man Morin.

Hello, Dan.

Hello, Micah.

Three is the panic I have every week when I'm like, do I have enough guests?

Yes, it's a very scary number for us. Four, four, four, four, all good.

Four. Four. Four. Four, fourth lucky, three bad luck. Well, speaking of four, I will introduce the first of the two that adds up to four.

It is an individual from Auckland, New Zealand, a university lecturer, lecturer in

public policy and technology, and also a podcaster on the incomparable network for their debut

on this show. It is Sarah Bickerton. Welcome to the show, Sarah. Yay. I just like being here for episode 512 pixels, Michael.

Oh, that's a good point. We should have, should have invited Stephen. Tough luck, Stephen Hackett.

I was almost expecting Stephen Hackett to like magically appear out of a cake or something.

He should have sponsored us if he wanted to be on the show. That's all I'm saying.

To my left this week, it is a YouTuber extraordinaire.

Christopher Lally, welcome back to the show, Chris.

Thanks for having me.

And your sponsorship check is in the mail.

So thank you.

All right.

Let us get into the show.

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