I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hi, everybody.

Welcome to the Soberful podcast.

I'm Veronica Valley and flying solo again today and have a fantastic guest, somebody

who I have wanted to get on the show

for quite some time. I want to introduce Jennifer Matisa. Did I say that right? You did. Hi,

Veronica. Okay. So a little while ago, Chip and I did an episode on sex and recovery. And Jennifer reached out to me, said, hey, I just think

there's so much more to say about that. And I'm like, yeah, you're right. Do you want to come on

and say it? Because this is really Jennifer's wheelhouse. So let me tell you a little bit more about

Jennifer. Jennifer is the author of four nonfiction books about body, mind and human well-being,

including two about recovery from substance abuse,

sex and recovery, a meeting between the covers and the recovering body, physical and spiritual

fitness for living clean and sober. And those are both available from Hazelden. She is very close

to having her Master's of Social Work degree from the University of Pittsburgh, and she's also taught

writing for more than 15

years. She currently works as a graduate clinical intern at the world-renowned Western Psychiatric

Institute and Clinic in Pittsburgh. She has spoken and written widely, and her long-running

site about addiction and recovery, Guineverev gets sober. And then I'll put that link in the show notes.

That's how I came across you, Jennifer, was Gwennevere? People still find me through Guinevere. I don't update it very often,

but people still find me through there. What made you start the blog? Oh, well, I quit painkillers.

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