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The Consult: Real FBI Profilers

51. Additional Insights into Temujin Kensu

The Consult: Real FBI Profilers

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Talk Radio, True Crime

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2024

⏱️ 69 minutes

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Summary

Crystal Merrill, a key witness in Temujin Kensu's 1987 trial for the murder of Scott Macklem, recently shared a transcript of Kensu's 2010 commutation hearing with us. She believed it would be useful in further "profiling" Kensu. Although we hadn't planned another episode on this case, we felt it was important to review this new material and its potential impact on the original profile. You can follow The Consult on social media: X/Twitter   Instagram  Facebook  For additional information and resources, please visit our episode website: https://www.truecrimeconsult.com/51-additional-insights-into-temujin- kensu/. Music “Light in the Basement” by John Hanske. Listen to more of John’s music on Spotify. If you enjoy The Consult, consider supporting us on Patreon for early and ad-free episodes. Visit Patreon.com/theconsultpod to become a subscriber.

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0:00.0

In the consult, we discuss cases involving violence, sexual violence, abduction, and murder.

0:08.0

Sometimes the cases we discuss involve children.

0:12.0

Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to the consult. I'm Julia Cowley, Retired FBI profiler, and today I'm joined by my colleagues.

0:42.5

Susan Costler Drew.

0:44.3

Angela, Susan, and Bob Drew.

0:46.9

Angela, Susan, and Bob are also retired FBI profilers, and we work together in the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit.

0:56.7

Previously, we released a three-part series on the 1986 murder of Scott Macklam, a case where many believe Fred Freeman,

1:04.4

now known as Temogen Kensu, was wrongly convicted. We analyzed the crime scene in victimology, profiling the likely

1:12.8

characteristics of the offender, and also examined who Fred Freeman was at the time to determine

1:19.1

if he matched those characteristics. Our conclusion was he did not. However, about a week ago,

1:26.9

I received an email from Crystal Merrill, one of the key

1:30.6

witnesses against Freeman in his 1987 trial. Attached was a transcript over 1,300 pages of

1:39.0

Freeman's 2010 commutation hearing. In her message, Crystal wrote, you might find this information

1:46.9

useful in your profile of Temogenkensu. And indeed we did. The transcript provided valuable

1:55.1

insights we didn't have during our initial analysis, especially since Freeman did not testify during his trial, but did during

2:03.3

the hearing. So today we're going to walk through this transcript, share our observations,

2:08.7

and discuss whether it alters our original assessment of Fred Freeman. This hearing took place

2:16.0

in September of 2010, so almost 24 years after the murder, but this is also a long time ago from today.

2:25.4

So this commutation hearing was held in front of the parole board, and it was emphasized that while this was not a trial because the trial had already occurred,

2:35.0

they would still be assessing his innocence claim since his commutation request was based on that.

2:42.3

The focus was also in trying to assess the type of person Fred Freeman is or was at the time

2:50.6

and trying to determine if he posed a danger to the public

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