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That is chaos. It's chaos which has been triggered by the US and Israel's actions. Iran at the moment is whacking off missiles at a fairly sizable number

of places in one of the most volatile regions of the world. If that was Russia doing that today,

we would basically be saying that this is now a world war. You've got this extraordinary move from

Starma. What I fear he's done is he's managed to piss off both of them. I don't think we've won any credit from the US for doing that. It's not about winning credit. I don't see that it's about winning credit. No, because this is what the national interest is about here. Let's be blunt. The UK is not protecting its citizens by getting involved in this war. The UK is endangering its citizens by getting involved in its war. You're being both naive and unfair because it's so easy to sit on the sidelines and say,

I wouldn't do that.

Welcome to the rest of politics. I'm with me, Alastair Campbell.

And with me, Rory, Stuart.

I think it's fairly obvious what we talk about on the main podcast this week. Roy, what do you think? We're going to talk about Iran. Look, there are a lot of different dimensions. I'd love to know where you'd want to start. So one of them is how different international leaders are responding. So Britain, France, Germany, Canada. Second is what's happening on the ground in Iran. Third is what's happening in terms of Iranian response attacks on Dubai.

And fourth immediately strikes me is the broader story of what Israel is doing simultaneously in Lebanon, Gaza, elsewhere.

But what's caught your attention at the moment? Where do you want to start?

I mean, I think you're right. Maybe the one I would add to that is what this all says about the state of America and the state of American politics and American leadership, especially now that Donald Trump has decided that even Keir Starma has to get a whacking for not agreeing with every single word that he says and every single thing that he does. I'd like to start, Roy, do you remember when we interviewed Mike Pompeo, the former Secretary of State? And I told him during

the interview that I told you, because you weren't there at the event, that we'd had that question

of the audience, which is the greater threat to global stability, the United States or China? And he looked

absolutely gobsmacked that the answer was the

United States. Okay. Now, if memory serves me right, this was pre-Greenland. Yep. And it was

certainly pre all this that we're living through now. But I wonder what, in a educated audience,

the answer to that question in most parts of the world would be right now

because it seems to me that what has been unleashed you you made this point on the very

first episode we did on Saturday about the the the strikes that unless you have some

sense of clarity about what you're trying to achieve and how you're trying to

achieve it,

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