Good evening. This is the Suns History Debating Society. I am Gaius. Germanicus is here. We're in Lunditium. It is a modest autumn evening. The leaves are leaving us. The river Thames is turbulent. The retired centurions are in a cheerful mood. Why not? They did their 25 years. We've been debating the map face of the empire, but we turn now to have much more fun in the 21st century.

Mind everybody that this is live.

You're not ahead of us now.

We're with you. And we have the news from the 21st century, such as it is.

For example, the signing of a ceasefire by a number of leaders in Europe,

the Arab world, the Islamic world, in these last days.

Mr. Erdogan of Turkey attended, Mr. Netanyahu of Israel did not, at Mr. Erdogan's recommendation.

Mr. Trump was the host, no matter the fact that it was at Charmalshikh,

which is a resort on the Red Sea, Egypt. That was a major event. And then the announcement

from the White House that the president, after a two-hour phone call with Vladimir Putin,

the president of the Russian Federation,

looked to sending their counselors, I believe, to Europe this coming week,

to confer in setting up a meeting at Budapest,

a neutral city that is loaded over by a man named Orban,

who's a member of NATO and a member of EU.

It is Hungary.

And it was always restless under the Soviet boot.

But these days, Mr. Orban is considered somewhere on the fence between Moscow and Brussels,

Brussels being the headquarters of NATO.

In any event, it was a surprise to hear that the two men were going to meet for the second time

since the tragedy of the Ukraine conflict.

Alaska was said to be unsuccessful, but now that it's led to the meeting in Budapest, if it happens,

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