5. House Full of Sh*t

Cover Story

New York Magazine

Documentary, Society & Culture, True Crime

4.2 • 1.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 December 2021

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Stories of transgressions multiply. Psychedelic therapists are meddling in marriages, dating their clients, and worse. Francoise Bourzat herself tells us what she thinks is going on, and how her psychedelic community has handled complaints in the past. Credits Cover Story is a production of New York magazine. Power Trip is co-created, produced and reported by David Nickles and Lily Kay Ross. Hosted and produced by iO Tillett Wright. Senior producers are Marianne McCune and Whitney Jones. Also produced by Tarkor Zehn and Liza Yeager. Executive producer and editor is Hanna Rosin. Sound design and scoring by Mike Cruz, Brandon McFarland, and Sharif Youssef, who also engineered the show. Cover Story’s Theme music by Santigold. More Music by Lynx DeMuth and John Ellis. Fact-checking by Britina Cheng and Ted Hart. Crystal Finn is the voice of Susan, Harmony Stempel is the voice of Connie, and Karen Racanelli is the voice of Catherine. Special thanks to legal minds Elissa Cohen and Samantha Mason. Also to Gaby Grossman, and to the band Night Lunch for use of their song “House Full of Shit”. Power Trip is also produced with Psymposia, a non-profit watchdog group. For a deeper dive into some of these issues visit psymposia.com/powertrip. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Just a quick note, this series deals with sexual assault, so please keep that in mind when you
0:04.7	decide when and where to listen. As in previous episodes, we've changed the names and voices of
0:10.5	some of the people that we've interviewed to protect their identities.
0:18.4	This is Cover Story from New York Magazine. Season 1. Power Trip. I'm my outlet right.
0:30.0	The lyrics are, what are we going to do with all this shit?
0:57.6	The lyrics are, what are we going to do with all this shit? We're going to need a second hallway.
1:03.6	And that's basically how they feel. Ever since they started digging into the underbelly of psychedelics,
1:08.8	and especially since we started dropping episodes, Lily and Dave have been inundated by stories
1:14.4	of all kinds of abuses by psychedelic guides. Oh, look at this. They need a second hallway.
1:19.5	It's like we're sitting here on like a mountain of evidence. That shed light on what's going on.
1:26.4	Some of the stories Lily and Dave are discovering have nothing to do with sexual abuse.
1:31.9	We started looking into a lawsuit against a heron that we found quite intriguing. It accused him of
1:38.3	a breach of confidentiality. It never made it to court, but that lawsuit led us to two women.
1:45.1	And the stories of these two women get to the heart of something. A dynamic that shows up in a lot
1:49.8	of different ways between guides and their clients, where the client sees the guide as a kind of
1:55.1	deity, and the guide in turn gets kind of high on power. This is Boate. Hi kitty. Hi, Buck.
2:04.0	What do you want? He's making a little snorey sound. First, I want to tell you about Claire.
2:09.1	No last name, I think. Yeah, just Claire. Claire was a dance teacher. And for her, this story starts
2:17.4	in about 2005. She was living up in the San Francisco Bay area, not far from where friends
2:24.4	was in her own live. Claire was a victim of child sexual abuse. And she had started dating a man
2:32.8	who had his own stuff kind of going on. A trauma survivor. And for a while, the relationship was going
2:39.7	really well. They actually moved in together. He had told me that he was working with a therapist
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