5: DC's Decline and the Search for a New Imperial Capital. Gaius and Germanicus debate where the new capital of the American Empire should be located, noting that Washington, D.C., is losing its usefulness. This parallels the Roman abandonment of Rome when i

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DC's Decline and the Search for a New Imperial Capital. Gaius and Germanicus debate where the new capital of the American Empire should be located, noting that Washington, D.C., is losing its usefulness. This parallels the Roman abandonment of Rome when it became indefensible and the imperial economy shifted east, leading Constantine to establish Constantinople. DC is troubled by a bypassed population and a shrinking federal workforce, partly due to the consolidation of AI data centers in Virginia. A shift in the capital would symbolize a dramatic transformation of American identity. Germanicus suggests Miami as a potential new capital because it already serves as the entrepôt for Latin America, fitting a potential "America First" hemispheric identity. This focus aligns with the large Hispanic influx and the migration of Northerners into strong Southern states like Florida and Texas. Just as DC was originally situated midway between the North and South colonies, the new capital must be centered where North and South meet to cement a new identity. The hosts anticipate a future hemispheric alliance where America becomes a fortress and a startup for a billion people in the 22nd century.
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0:00.0	This is the Friends of History Debating Society.
0:05.5	I am Guy Stramanicus is here and we're going to play a fun game, which is to look at the American Empire, built upon the foundations of the Roman Empire.
0:15.0	And it so happened at the end of the 4th century, AD, 395, I believe is the date.
0:22.8	A man named Theodosius was emperor at Ravenna.
0:26.7	Ravenna was the capital, the effective capital at the time.
0:30.2	Rome was no longer commodious.
0:32.7	Milan was a large city, but Ravenna was on the Adriatic and useful way of communicating to both sides
0:39.8	of the empire. And Theodosius knew he was going to die, so he chose his two sons to be emperors,
0:46.0	one for the east, one for the west. And they were young, and so they had protectors and
0:52.1	generals and led to civil war, of course.
0:55.1	That's not why we're pursuing.
0:57.0	What we're pursuing is that the beginning of the division of the empire quickly turned into ideas in the fourth century.
1:05.9	And the ideas had to do with a man named Constantine, who had a vision, but it was a practical vision,
1:13.2	that the Christians were no longer as enemy.
1:16.0	I mean, he was signing up the people who were winning.
1:18.3	Good for him.
1:19.8	And a few years later, he founded the city of Constantinople.
1:24.0	3.30, I believe, is the date that everybody agrees upon.
1:27.3	That became the empire's capital in the East, but really what we know to be true is that it was
1:36.1	dominated by the Greek language, and it became the Roman Empire for the next, oh, what is that?
1:42.8	That's the fourth century until today.
1:47.0	So, but really until the 15th century.
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