Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn Returns with me Kagi Dunlop.

This is a podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where

there can be confusion and doubt.

What you don't face, you can't fix. And so until you begin to face that this is your operating system and it isn't your fault but only you can sort

this out and it's never as simple as fix it's adapt and shift and change isn't

today I am rejoined by the wonderful Julia Samuel, the British psychotherapist and

best-selling author who I last spoke to all the way back in season two and we

covered the topic of grief.

Today as her new book, Every Family Has A Story,

is all about family dynamics.

We are discussing how relationships within our family, friends and romantic partners changes during our Saturn return.

This is such an important conversation because of course everybody has a family and everyone has different dynamics going on and during our Saturn return they are often bought into the focus

and we don't really have the tools to know how to navigate these challenging situations as they shift

and change. So having the privilege and opportunity to speak to

Julie about this was so amazing so I think you guys are going to love this conversation.

Before we get into any of this though, let's hear from our astrological guide Nora.

Most astrological schools of thoughts interchangeably associate strong associates strong disciplinarian and father figures in our lives with Saturn and the Sun

and those that represents a prominent feminine influence and matriarchal energies with the moon and Venus.

Then Mercury and Mars are usually associated with siblings or sibling-like figures such as long-term friends or even childhood friends,

depending on the individual time of birth and birth chart dynamics as a whole.

By understanding these placements of these planetary energies in our birth charts,

we get to learn not only more about ourselves and how we function

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