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Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

496: Should Therapists Express Their Feelings? Freud's Huge Error! Featuring Matt May, MD

Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy

David Burns, MD

Self-improvement, Mental Health, Education, Health & Fitness

4.6899 Ratings

🗓️ 6 April 2026

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Should Therapists Express Their Feelings?

Freud's Huge Error!

Featuring Matt May, MD

Today we touch base on a really important and highly controversial question: Should therapists express their feelings? Or remain blank slates, as Freud so strongly recommended.

We begin with a scholarly and really interesting (oxymoron?) piece that Matt wrote about Freud's own fear of sharing his feelings, and how that led to the huge mistake called psychoanalysis.

At the end of this piece, I will briefly summarize the podcast.

Matt's piece here

Matt began by describing a fascinating case of a woman who had a functional neurological disorder. She appeared, in other words, to be unable to walk, but her walking problem was entirely caused by her mind.

Often this type of problem is due to the "Hidden Emotion" phenomenon, where the patient is hiding some powerful feeling—from themselves and others—and then that feeling comes out indirectly, as some form of anxiety (very common) or even as a neurological problem, such as apparent paralysis in a limb.

Matt, can you briefly summarize your thinking on how her symptoms may have been due to suppressed anger?

During the session, the concept of anger came up, and the husband became agitated, and started pounding angrily on the desk. Clearly, of course, his wife was also terrified of him, one of the key dynamics in their dysfunctional marriage.

Matt was scared, and decided to say, "I feel scared right now." The man calmed down instantly. She, too, had been afraid of expressing her feelings.

Matt and Rhonda talked about effective and ineffective ways of expressing your feelings. Like everything else in the universe, "I Feel" statements are a two-edged sword.

What Matt said—"I feel scared"—was a human statement of vulnerability that did not threaten this many in any way. Matt's humanness allowed him to lower his defenses and open up as well.

But saying, "I feel controlled," is actually a hidden criticism of the other person, and it will nearly always trigger more aggression and anger.

They also discussed setting boundaries, another highly controversial topic, because much of the time, when therapists (or anyone) attempt to set boundaries, it comes across as an attempt to control the other person, to tell them what they can and cannot do, and that has a high probability of triggering more anger, and is an invitation to violate the annoying "limit" you are trying to set.

Matt described a common and frustrating dynamic: a woman who kept "forgetting" to do her psychotherapy homework, and instead kept chasing a man who treated her badly. Of course, her behavior caused him to become even more aggressive and abusive.

Matt: what was your point here? I didn't get it in my notes. Any help appreciated! You can be brief, as many words tends to intimidate me.

In contrast, a statement like "I'm feeling hurt right now," is vastly less powerful, since it is simply a gentle, non-aggressive way, of showing how you feel.

But by the same token, it is often vastly more powerful than attempts to set limits.

These are complicated topics, easily misunderstood. For more information, check out my book Feeling Good Together.

Warmly, David, Rhonda and Matt

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast, where you can learn powerful techniques

0:11.6

to change the way you feel. I am your host, Dr. Rhonda Borovsky, and joining me here in the

0:16.8

Murrieta studio is Dr. David Burns. Dr. Burns is a pioneer in the development of

0:22.3

cognitive behavioral therapy and the creator of the new team therapy. He's the author of Feeling

0:27.4

Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States and has been translated into over 30

0:33.2

languages. His latest book, Feeling Great, contains powerful new techniques that make rapid recovery

0:39.3

possible for many people struggling with depression and anxiety. Dr. Burns is currently an

0:44.7

emeritus adjunct professor of clinical psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine.

0:51.1

Hello. Hello, Rhonda.

1:02.2

David, you missed your calling as an opera singer.

1:05.4

This is the Feeling Good podcast for all your listeners from all over the world and universe.

1:11.7

This is episode 496, and we have an interesting subject and our beloved Matt May to join us. Hi, Matt. Hey, Rhonda.

1:18.6

Hey, David. Great to see you both. Likewise. Absolutely. Every time you join us, it's a joy.

1:25.9

For me as well.

1:28.3

So, David, do you want to explain what we're going to be talking about today?

1:31.9

I will let Matt explain it, since it's a topic that Matt brought to us, but it's one that everyone can relate to therapists and patient alike.

1:43.3

And Matt's focus will be on why therapists have trouble using I feel statements.

1:50.7

But we can also branch over into why you, the listener, maybe you're not a therapist,

1:56.6

but you may find that you hide your feelings and you don't want to open up and share them openly.

2:04.9

Right. Yeah, this came up, this topic came up, and I emailed you about it, David.

2:08.6

I got kind of excited when one of my students asked a question, their question was, is it okay as a therapist to say I feel scared?

2:22.5

And I thought about that question.

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