493: Yikes! What If I Relapse?
Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
David Burns, MD
4.6 • 899 Ratings
🗓️ 16 March 2026
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
What can I do if I relapse?
Good Morning Dr. Burns,
I will make this email quick, as I'm sure you have several other emails to read through.
First off, thank you so much for your research and contributions to TEAM CBT! My mother introduced me to this form of therapy in 2022, and it has been a big help in overcoming my extremely painful perfectionism anxiety. Unfortunately, after graduating from university, I've begun relapsing once again. As such, I would like to ask a few things
Carlos:
(His remaining questions will be answered on Podcast 494.)
- Is it harder to get out of a relapse than the first time?
I feel as if my relapse has been a lot trickier to get out of, despite the fact I have more tools and techniques.
David's response.
This depends entirely on whether you've done Relapse Prevention Training to prepare for relapses ahead of time. You can read all about it in the last chapter of my most recent book, Feeling Great. You can also learn about RPT on a number of podcasts, and even hear me doing it live with many individuals at the end of their personal work. Here are two examples randomly chosen among dozens I have published.
389: https://feelinggood.com/2024/03/25/389-the-story-of-amy-part-2-of-2/
And you'll a great many more if you look. Just use the search function on my website and you'll find a wealth of podcasts on RPT.
Short answer: If you HAVE recovered and done RPT (takes 30 minutes) it will usually be much easier for you to smash your negative thought(s), using the same methods that helped you the first time.
If you HAVEN'T recovered and done RPT, it may be much more challenging.
Thanks for the important question, Carlos!
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to the Feeling Good podcast, where you can learn powerful techniques |
| 0:11.6 | to change the way you feel. I am your host, Dr. Rhonda Borovsky, and joining me here in the |
| 0:16.8 | Murrieta studio is Dr. David Burns. Dr. Burns is a pioneer in the development of cognitive behavioral therapy and the creator of the new team therapy. |
| 0:26.6 | He's the author of Feeling Good, which has sold over 5 million copies in the United States and has been translated into over 30 languages. |
| 0:33.6 | His latest book, Feeling Great, contains powerful new techniques that make rapid recovery |
| 0:39.3 | possible for many people struggling with depression and anxiety. Dr. Burns is currently an emeritus |
| 0:45.2 | adjunct professor of clinical psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine. |
| 0:51.1 | I've got to make the most of it because we only have seven or so episodes left before the grand departure on number 500. |
| 1:01.3 | And this is 493. |
| 1:03.0 | So I thought I'd better get as much juice as I could out of that one. |
| 1:06.6 | Okay. |
| 1:07.1 | Well, you're doing really great. |
| 1:09.5 | You're doing your great job of that. |
| 1:11.7 | And just want to remind our listeners that this is the Feeling Good podcast. |
| 1:15.2 | And as David just said, it's episode 493. |
| 1:18.5 | And you heard a little giggle in the background. |
| 1:20.5 | That was me. |
| 1:24.0 | So if you've heard that giggle, that means our beloved Matt May is on and that this is an Ask David episode. |
| 1:30.5 | Hi, Matt. |
| 1:31.3 | Hey, Rhonda. |
| 1:31.9 | Hey, David. |
| 1:32.5 | It's great to see you. |
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