Hey guys welcome to episode number 489 of the Industrial Strength Show.

Joining me on today's show is Callahan Skogman, a former college basketball player turned writer and actor.

He was most recently in the Netflix series Shadow and Bone

and his debut novel Blue Graffiti is actually out right now

which is pretty damn cool you will hear us talk a little bit about that at the end of the

podcast but man Callahan is just a super

interesting dude great great guy who I got to give credit to Ben Bruno

Ben was the one who recommended that I have

Callahan on the show. Ben said, listen, I don't recommend many people but I

really think you should consider having him on your

podcast. I just have a feeling you guys would hit it off. You would end up having a great conversation and you know Ben felt like Callahan can provide a unique

perspective on training not only as you'll hear is he a savage in the gym he's been training his entire life very similar

story to mine he started training with his dad early on which is all got some really

cool stories that he shares but again instead of having a another

trainer's point of view like you normally have on this podcast Callahan shares more of the trainees perspective and plus him being a writer and an actor,

I just thought it was a pretty cool idea and a welcomed change of pace.

So you are about to hear my almost,

I think we spoke for like an hour and 20 minutes.

All I know is the time flew by.

I was shocked when I looked at the clock

when we were done talking, which is always a good sign, right?

When you have spoken longer than it felt that's a good

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