Hey friend, welcome to Java with Julie, hosted by me Julie Slattery. This podcast is a listener-supported

outreach of authentic intimacy, which is a ministry dedicated to reclaiming God's design for sexuality.

So let me ask you a question. How do you walk through a pain that no one can see? What is it like for you to suffer in isolation?

And how do you cling to your faith when you feel like you keep being faced with new challenges

and hardships and you've barely recovered from the last turtle you face? Well, in today's podcast,

I'm joined by a good friend of mine, Michelle Koshad. Michelle has endured

tremendous hardship in her life. She's beat cancer three times. She's had a number of serious

surgeries and deep personal relational hurt as well. You know, we can't really talk about sexuality

without talking about pain. And although Michelle isn't specifically

speaking about sexual pain, there are few people that are better equipped to talk and write about

pain and suffering than she is. And there aren't many people who are able to speak about pain and

suffering with a depth of godly perspective that Michelle has.

So I invited Michelle to have a conversation with me to talk about her new book called A Faith

that Will Not Fail.

Her book is all about how to practically cultivate that kind of faith that's built on God

so that when pain and suffering come, which Michelle will tell you that they will,

though your flesh may fail, you can experience the God who does not.

Now let's head to the coffee shop for my conversation with Michelle Kashad.

Well, hi, my friend, Michelle.

Welcome to Job with Julie.

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