482: Roll Up Your Sleeves and CHOP THAT S**T UP. With CSM Daniel Pinion.

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🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 214 minutes

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Daniel L. Pinion is a military veteran of the Cold War, Operation Joint Endeavor (Bosnia-Herzegovina), and multiple tours in Operation Iraqi Freedom. He served in numerous Infantry, Armor and Cavalry units and leadership positions during his 28-year career. CSM (R) Pinion has served as Squad Leader, Section Sergeant, Drill Sergeant, Platoon Sergeant, First Sergeant, Instructor, Operations Sergeant Major, and Command Sergeant Major. Born in Ohio, raised in Andover, NJ, CSM (R)

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0:00.0	This is Jocko podcast number 482 with Echo Charles and me Jocco Willink. Good evening, Echo.
0:05.1	Good evening.
0:07.6	Once we arrived at Camp Ramadi in June, everyone could tell we were not in the north anymore.
0:15.4	Mortar attacks occurred daily, and we were located right against the enemy held parts of the city.
0:21.3	I said that correctly. The enemy controlled enemy held parts of the city. I said that correctly.
0:23.4	The enemy controlled over 75% of the city, from government buildings to hospitals and neighborhoods.
0:30.7	However, we held the edge of the east and the west sides of the town.
0:36.4	We had a transition of authority scheduled around June 2006
0:41.0	from their brigade to ours. We would officially assume control of the operation and they would go home.
0:47.8	About two weeks before the turnover, Captain Baima was reassigned to a tank company. This is a backward move for an officer. They do their initial command in the tank unit and if they are the best of the best, they are selected to command the likes of us. However, for our brigade and the mission in Ramadi, this was one of the best decisions that Colonel Sean McFarland, the brigade commander, ever made.
1:13.0	Captain Mike Main Gun Ma'Bai Ma'a had the perfect amount of arrogance, competence, courage, and audacity to do what needed to be done as a tank company commander.
1:25.5	The plan was set.
1:31.3	The night of turnover, our brigade would attack the city.
1:38.8	We would simply push from west and east and meet in the middle, no matter how long that took.
1:45.4	Our unit was again attached to another battalion and we were still serving conventional roles
1:56.2	But as a bonus we'd be in a close relationship with SEAL team three tasking a bruiser and begin planning for our small kill team operations
2:09.2	And that right there is a little excerpt from a book, an outstanding book, which is called Chop That Shit Up.
2:12.2	And we'll get to the meaning of behind that title.
2:17.2	It's written by a guy named Daniel Pinyon, who is a retired Army Command Sergeant Major.
2:21.4	He served for 28 years in the Army, and he led infantry.
2:22.3	He led armor.
2:25.0	He led cavalry soldiers at every level of leadership.
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