Hey everyone, Benkuba Radio, how on earth are you doing.

Today's show might sound a tad echoy.

Don't worry about it.

We're on the fly, we're on the move, we're doing an interview, but today for me is a very

exciting show because I've never had a farmer on the show or someone from a farming background

someone who's in that industry and I think this is a fascinating conversation

because plant-based nutrition, veganism, dairy, meat, farming practices,

sustainability, climate change is all in the spotlight in a big way you would have heard the conversation that I had

about the game changes and obviously farming and what we and why comes into that in a

massive way so today I'm sat with a dairy farmer. We're going to be talking about

dairy. We're going to be talking about nutrition. We're going to be talking about

animal welfare. We're going to be talking about all the things that makes us lead to a

decision by going into a supermarket and choosing potentially dairy or an alternative.

And what's important is that we have all the facts and all the insights and make a proper informed decision.

Because I think there's a lot of bad

information out there at the moment because of what people want you to believe

based on their own agenda and bias. Anyway, let's get into the show. I will stop waffling. Welcome to the show, George Heeler.

Hello?

Hi Dan, how you doing? You can?

I'm brilliant.

This isn't, this is the second time I've been to your farm and last time I got a

tour around the factory and it was brilliant. It's amazing and it kind of like

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