Welcome back to the place we find ourselves. I'm Adam Young and today I'm joined by my friend Sam

Jolman, who is a therapist in Colorado Springs. In this episode, we talk about the fact that God

created us to need more than himself. We have been wired to need other people, deeply. If you

enjoy my conversation today with Sam, consider coming out to Colorado Springs November 8-9 for a

marriage conference that we are doing together. The conference is called the story of your marriage,

and we are going to talk about how your story and your spouse's story are playing out in the

particular dynamics of your marriage. We'll explore attachment, affect regulation, and what's really

happening when you fight. You can sign up by going to AdamYoungCounseling.com and clicking on

marriage conference. Also, as a reminder, beginning next week, new episodes will be immediately

available on the place we find ourselves app to people who pay $3 a month. If you don't want to

pay the $3, the episode will become available for free four weeks later. Either way, please go to

the app store or the Google Play Store and download the place we find ourselves app. Okay, here is

my interview with Sam. Okay, I'm here with my friend Sam Joelman Sam, it is good to see you.

Good to see you too Adam. This is exciting because Sam is actually physically in my office here in

Fort Collins, Colorado because he lives also in Colorado in Colorado Springs a couple hours south

and you made the drive. I did in this beautiful warm summer day. Yes. So it's good to have you here

and what we're going to do is we're going to look mainly at a piece that you wrote called you

need more than God and essay that you wrote. But before we do that, say a little bit about who you are

what you're doing in Colorado Springs. So I'm a full-time therapist in Colorado Springs,

father, husband, those three offices keep me pretty well occupied. But yes, I get the great privilege

of sitting with people and engaging their stories full-time. You're a counselor who has engaged

his own story starting from a pretty young age. Can you share a little bit about when did you

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