Some of the people who look the strongest on the outside are carrying the heaviest emotional

load on the inside. Today we are talking about why the most responsible people often struggle

in silence and how perfectly hidden depression can hide behind success, reliability, and strength. Today we have

Dr. Margaret Rutherford. We've had her on the show before. She's a clinical psychologist whose book

Perfectly Hidden Depression has reached global audience. It's been translated into dozens of different

languages. And she has a TED Talk

speech that has over 2 million views. Dr. Rutherford has now written her second book,

The Perfectly Hidden Depression Workbook, to help readers recognize this and address this hidden

crisis. So thank you for being here. You know, you're one of my

favorite people, Kimberly. And please call me Margaret. So so thank you again for having me on and for

writing a incredibly kind and eloquent forward for the book. So I wanted you to do it and I was so,

I got tears in my eyes when I read it. So thank you so very much. My pleasure. It was an honor.

I can't believe you asked me truly. I get goosebumps just thinking about it. So yes, you have done such influential work.

Now, for those who haven't listened, you've been on the show before, but I just want to give

them a little bit.

It was seven years ago, so that was, I absolutely forgotten.

This book changed my life, right?

Like, I read your book and I was like, this is me.

And so it was such, this is me. And so it was so, so,

it was such a movement for me. And so I'm so grateful that you're here now because you've

decided to put the book into a workbook format. If only I had have had that in my early 20s,

I think it would have saved me a lot of suffering.

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