Hey everyone, Benkerman Radio episode number 481.

So Netflix, the game changes, everyone's talking about it.

It's taking us a while to do a podcast or an article but as the article was being produced it was like we should

probably take our time with this and obviously lots of people were writing articles and a lot of the

articles were quite emotionally fueled like I disagree with it

or this is the best thing since sliced bread and loads of people have seen all their

mates online going oh my god I going vegan, like this is so bad and well we've

written a big article, we're doing a podcast, we need to talk about the facts or really what the messages are that should be paid attention to

in the game changes. So Tom, hello. Hello. Yeah, this could be quite a good one. I mean I started writing like the first draft for the article and I was like Ben this is going to be a two-part or at least because there's just and this is one of the things that I do think I'm a bit

annoyed with the game changes annoyed about in terms of that is because there's so much that they

could have included that they didn't and I think

yeah as I'm gonna get to I think it's a missed opportunity so anyway you watched the film before

yeah what were your initial thoughts when you first saw it?

So the first sort of 30 to 40 minutes I was like, oh my God, when is this going to like change?

When is it going to evolve? And I found like the first 10

minutes quite inspiring and then sort of minutes 10 to 12, 12 to 14, which is like the

same message looping itself just using lots of different people

and I've actually spoken to quite a few people about this film and loads of people that I spoke to

didn't make it past the half an hour mark.

They were just like, oh, this is, you know, vegan propaganda, they're just, you know, trying to promote something.

But actually in my opinion, it did get better once you got past that because there was all the

same narrative then there was that kind of they almost just like dropped in five

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