Marshall here, welcome back to the realignment.

Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. I've got a great conversation today with the

Washington Post, David Ignatius. He has a new

book out called Phantom Orbit. It's all about a fictionalized view of what a future

war in space involving satellites could look like.

He pulls from headline-defining events, like the announcement that Russians would be planning

to deploy a nuclear weapon in lower orbit in order to destroy American satellite capability to of course conversations around the space force and the way that in many ways the war in Ukraine is the first true war that involves space.

We cover a bunch of other topics as well too, of course how the

war in Ukraine's going, how the Biden re-election attempt is going, and of course

why there's a broader need for reform in America's political leadership going into this decade.

Hope you all enjoy this conversation and you could of course find the book and the

realignment's bookshop. Huge thank you to the Foundation for for supporting the work of this podcast.

David Ignatius, welcome to the realignment.

Good to be with.

Thank you, Marching.

To prep for this episode, I listened to your episode

with Kara Swisher on her on podcast.

And you actually gave me such a great transition into articulating what the role of a

fictional work plays in this broader national security space recovering

because I hate to do a book interview we just sort of say okay so it's this

fictional story what happened and then what happened and then what happened defeats

the purpose but you said specifically that you use fiction as a means of

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