So you found out on Monday of this week that you had received this letter from your stake president.

That's right, June 9th, I believe.

Okay, and it just came in the mail to your home?

Yeah, it was actually certified where I had to sign for it.

Wow, interesting.

And it came from your stake presidency, is that right?

That's right.

Do you mind if I just started at the beginning?

What happened when you opened that envelope?

What did you see?

Well, my wife brought it to me and I started Mormon Stories podcast here in Kass Valley in 2005.

And it was a real powerful moment that they released my first episode of the podcast because

I knew then that this was always a possibility.

I had read Sunstone Magazine and Dialogue.

I was at BYU in 1993 when the September 6th excommunications all came down in September of 1993.

And so I knew that the church had a history of silencing or excommunicating people that ask hard questions

before.

And the internet had been around for a while, but what was different in 2004, 2005 was Web 2.0 is

emerging.

So Web 1.0 is just static web pages, but Web 2.0 was things like blogs and podcasts.

And I was among the very, very first to blog and podcast within Mormonism.

And so I knew that it was a new time and it was going to be a new experiment.

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