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Win Today: Your Roadmap to Wholeness

476: [Formed.] Spiritual But Not Religious? Lisa Bevere on What an Exorcist Said About Tarot and Oracle Cards, How the Progressive Movement is Connected to Self-Deification, and Why The Church is Too Comfortable Preaching Catchy Phrases

Win Today: Your Roadmap to Wholeness

Christopher Cook

Mental Health, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.9 • 528 Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2026

⏱️ 62 minutes

🔗️ Recording | iTunes | RSS

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Summary

We live in a moment where spiritual language is everywhere, but formation is rare. Many people claim to be spiritual while rejecting authority, truth, and discipline. Others consume sermons built on slogans rather than Scripture, leaving their faith thin, sentimental, and easily shaken. The result is a generation that feels awakened but remains unformed. This week on Win Today, Lisa Bevere joins me for the final installment of the [Formed.] discipleship series to confront the cost of being spiritual but not anchored in truth. We talk about the rise of tarot and oracle cards, what an exorcist revealed about their spiritual danger, how progressive theology often drifts toward self-deification, and why the church has grown far too comfortable preaching phrases instead of the Word. This conversation is not reactionary; it is corrective. If you're hungry for real formation, grounded truth, and a faith that can withstand deception, offense, and cultural pressure, this episode brings the series to its necessary conclusion.

Guest Bio

Lisa Bevere is a bestselling author, speaker, and co-founder of Messenger International. Known for her prophetic clarity and uncompromising commitment to Scripture, Lisa has spent decades calling believers to spiritual maturity, courage, and wholehearted devotion to Jesus. Her books and teaching reach a global audience, challenging cultural Christianity and inviting the church back to truth, holiness, and biblical authority.

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0:00.0

The Art of Leadership Network.

0:03.2

This week on Wynn today.

0:04.9

I understand that there is a desperate longing for deeper spirituality.

0:11.1

I do feel like the church has become so good at creating an atmosphere for, like, church,

0:20.2

and environment, but we don't have presence.

0:23.5

God is waiting for a divine invasion, but we have settled for divination.

0:28.7

Hey, friends, welcome to the podcast.

0:30.7

I'm so glad you've joined me this week for a really pivotal conversation.

0:34.8

First Timothy 4-7 tells us to train for godliness. It's been the theme of

0:39.6

this series, and you probably know as well as I do, that we're living in a time when people are

0:44.1

deeply spiritual, but increasingly resistant to being formed and disciples in the way and practice

0:51.4

of Jesus. Here's how it shakes out. Truth is replaced with intuition,

0:57.0

getting your power back, leaning in, looking inside yourself to find the truth of who you are.

1:03.1

Authority is reframed as oppression, and scripture is often traded for fluffy language

1:08.3

that sounds meaningful but demands absolutely nothing of us. Well,

1:12.7

today, Lisa Bevere joins me to bring this formed series to a sobering close. We're going to discuss

1:18.6

what happens when spirituality detaches from submission to the word to the Lord. Why taro and

1:25.1

oracle cards, things like that are far more dangerous than any one of us would ever assume.

1:29.8

How self-deification quietly shapes progressive theology.

1:33.4

Yes, I am going there today.

1:35.2

And why the church must stop offering catchy phrases in place of the Word of God.

1:41.7

Y'all, this conversation is about discernment, formation, and recovering of faith

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