#470:The Healing Power of Light: Ancient Wisdom Meets Modern Science with Brian Richards

The Mark Groves Podcast

Mark Groves

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🗓️ 18 August 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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In this episode, I sit down with Brian Richards, founder of SaunaSpace, for a fascinating deep dive into the world of light, EMFs, and how our modern synthetic environment is quietly shaping our biology, mood, and overall health. We explore the ancient relationship between humans and natural light, why most of us are unknowingly starved of the sun’s healing near-infrared spectrum, and how artificial blue light and constant electromagnetic exposure are disrupting our circadian rhythms, hormones, and even emotional well-being. Brian shares his personal healing journey, the science behind light therapy, and simple, practical steps to reclaim your natural state of vitality—so you can feel more energized, think more clearly, and reconnect with the sacredness of just being. Brian Richards is an internationally known expert in sauna therapy, light science, EMF science. In 2008 Brian transformed his health by creating his own incandescent electric light bath. In 2013, he founded SaunaSpace. His company, based in Missouri, USA, handcrafts innovative saunas and targeted therapy devices that harness nature’s most potent spectrum for light and heat therapy. Thousands of customers have now transformed their lives with the SaunaSpace experience. Nowadays Brian brings a refreshing approach to natural living, spiritual science and natural health transformation. Website: https://sauna.space Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/saunaspace/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/saunaspace/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/saunaspace —This episode is sponsored by: Cozy Earth: Use code MARK for 40% off sitewide at http://www.cozyearth.com Avocado Green Mattress: www.avocadogreenmattress.com Get an exclusive 15% discount on Saily data plans! Use code MARKGROVES at checkout. www.saily.com/markgroves —Have a question For Mark to answer on the podcast?https://www.speakpipe.com/TheMarkGrovesPodcast —Have a question for Mark and want an immediate answer? Mark's Dexa page: https://ask.markgroves.com —How are your Nervous System + Attachment Style connected? https://markgroves.com/connectthedots - Subscribe to Mark’s Substack to receive his weekly reflections and insights straight from his heart to your inbox. https://markgroves.substack.com/ —Contact us at podcast@markgroves.com for sponsor product support, questions, comments, or just to say hello! Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to another episode of the Mark Groves podcast. I've been waiting a while to get
0:04.7	this gentleman on the pod. I heard him on Luke Story's podcast talking about light and the impact
0:11.8	of light and spectrums of light and I just really nerded out. And I don't think that we, for those
0:20.1	listening or watching, that we really consider the
0:23.0	deep impact of things like cell phones, of not being aligned with sunlight and how that affects
0:28.3	our biology. And after I heard Brian Richards on Luke's podcast, I was like, all right, this is the
0:34.9	nerd for me. This is the guy.
1:11.6	So welcome to the podcast. That's definitely a compliment. I mean it in the most complimentary way, too. And like, ah, I can't wait to nerd out on this. And I, you know, I'm curious, do you, well, first off, welcome. Thank you for having me, Mark. Pleasure to be here. Yeah, I'm curious how, like, do you find that, you know, if you're looking at 100% of society, like what percent are even thinking that they're being impacted by light and all that stuff? And what's the cost of not doing that of not paying attention? How's that showing up?
1:15.9	Yeah, it's, and I would say from my perspective, it's the vast majority.
1:21.6	You know, you can look at certain statistics like the average American gets seven minutes of sunlight a day.
1:25.1	And just look holistically at the world we live in.
1:27.4	There's like two things going on. On the one hand, we're conditioned to
1:29.7	think that we're greater than nature, that we can innovate technology. And we've assumed this
1:35.9	almost like godlike role, but not in union with the divine, but rather in replacement. With that
1:43.4	assumption comes certain other assumptions
1:46.6	like nature doesn't affect us. We influence nature. It's not the other way around. And that's not
1:51.6	true. Biologically, we have very ancient programming. And up until very recently, we didn't have
1:57.7	electricity, man-made EMF, and we we lived outdoors and if you go way far back
2:03.1	the only time we were indoors was basically when we're sleeping and getting some shelter
2:08.5	otherwise all day long even if we're taking a nap you know we're outside under the tree and that
2:14.8	experience is not just nature and grounding and fresh air those things are immensely important
2:20.6	it's also experience with the sun the actual direct exposure to the sunlight for hours a day
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