All right. I am recording live now. I am on the phone with Jason Ginter at WAN Dynamics.

And thanks for jumping on the phone real quick because I'm doing a,

I had a lot of requests from some of my people that are either on my email list

or people that saw stuff online and people just asking me recently about SD-WAN stuff.

So I'm doing a basically like a three-day series on my top

three vendors. And a lot of people liked that case study and the podcast that we did,

Culture Eats Technology for Breakfast. So I figured I just ask you a couple questions real quick.

Since the providers that I'm mainly comparing are Cato networks,

yourself, Lan Dynamics, which is essentially you're a big VeloCloud player,

and Big Leaf Networks.

And the reason why I pick those three is I use Cato for more of a global MPLS, mobile cellular phone security type of bring

everything together, get around the Chinese firewall and leverage international VPNs and

stuff like that. That's primarily what I use them for. And then also accessing Azure and Amazon and other applications up in the

cloud. So that's what I use them for. That's what I see them as a big benefit for. And then also

their managed firewall piece. And then I see Big Leaf more as a just a like let's aggregate

our bandwidth and provide QOS and peer with the

providers for voice over IP services.

So that's what I use Big Leaf for.

And then I use you for MPLS replacement, for MPLS, maybe a hybrid MPLS environment, you

know, really like we did with Doug, you know, bringing multiple

locations together, connecting locations, speeding things up. But I kind of want to just let you,

you know, I know all the features of VeloCloud. Most of them, we did that little ninja series

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