Hello everybody. Welcome to Not So Mali Mormon podcast.

Hello everyone. Welcome back. This is Sarah. And today we have our number one fan and listener Karen.

Hello, hello.

Karen is joining us finally. Yay!

We're so excited. It's always nice to see like we check our stats and it's always like

Karen Jervis, number. Like, I'll listen.

Although I think you got competition now, but I know.

I've noticed.

You have a couple of competitors, but you're still up there near the number one spot.

Yeah.

I'm famous.

Yep.

All the shout out. So today we're talking about, I'm not just

jumping into it, we have other topics, but this is like my little train of thought. We're talking

about the book Educated because Karen suggested it for me because she had read it. And the little

background behind our story is Karen met me

right when I was leaving the church. So I was a fresh exmo. Fresh exmo. Yep. And it was my first

exposure to anything Mormon. So that was interesting. It's true. It's true. I think I, wait, before we get into it,

sorry, I just don't have any announcements, Katie. I just like, I got so excited. I'm excited too.

I can't think of any announcements. If I think of some, I'll interject, but. Okay, cool. Yeah.

Yeah, so I thought it'd be be interesting we kind of talked about the

background of like how you and i met and your first impressions and then going from that to

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